Philippine ATO memorandum circular 01-06

[e6b]

Originally Posted by flyboy72

Not being righteous at all. You didn't go back...good for you. Some broke away from the strike (some were "thinking of themselves" but some went back for their families). And others went back when the strike was over...and some probably are going back to this day because they have to feed their families.
Principle and the continuous fight for the profession is always a good thing...up until one's family tells them to go back, what do they do? To your eyes what are they? Can you answer for them? Sorry but I can't. A few families were torn apart as a result. Are you gonna do anything for them, I doubt it. But you have a job right? Maybe overseas?
By the way, you don't have to be a PAL pilot or be part of a strike to understand whats going on in the Philippine aviation, then and now.

Look at yourself , nothing else intelligent to say about 01-06, now you're an expert on the '98 strike.
That's the problem when you try to talk authoritatively about something you have no FIRSTHAND knowledge of. You then try to drag the issues of the '98 strike into this and go OT, knowing that your support for 01-06 clearly shows that you are on the payroll. However, if you read my post carefully, I mentioned those who "initially broke the strike". The strike breakers. The real scabs. Do you want me to name them? I have a lot of friends who went back and I have nothing against them, they had few or no options at all. We even adviced them to go back and even loaned them money to tide them over. And you have the tenacity to ask me what I did for my fellow pilots while you just probably stood by the sidelines, watching things unfold and doing nothing . You obviously don't know that people are reconciling their differences nowadays. And as I told C1052 earlier, we even share a few San Migs once in a while. Why not go to BTC during happy hour and see for yourself FIRSTHAND.
And yes, I do have a job but not abroad-I fly for CebuPac and have no plans of leaving. But still, 01-06 pisses me off as much as anyone who can see it's real purpose. Even our management pilots here have signed an ongoing petition by our union against 01-06. Not because they have plans of leaving but that they know it is unconstitutional. How many pal management pilots have left recently? Just shows you the sad state of affairs at pal.
Yes, you don't have to be a pilot to know anything about Philippine Aviation, but that doesn't hold true for the '98 strike. A lot of friendships and familiy relations were strained because of the 98 strike, just like in the '70s strike, just like during times of war; it's inevitable. Don't expect to stage a strike and just have a picnic or a boodle fight. But don't even try to lecture me on that: you had nothing to loose, you were just a fence sitter.

[kontra]

Originally Posted by flyboy72

Mr. Kontra, before you start calling me a clown, answer this...why did you give yourself the username Kontra. Sounds appropriate. I agree with cessna and you that 10% of pilots, as little percentage as it is, is an integral part of the work force. I never questioned that at all. Management in all honesty is scared at this point with regards to the 10%.

Did I offend you? Im sorry if I did. That was once what JH called pal pilots, just to make you feel how it is to be called like that by the persons who you are trying to justify their actions. The name Kontra is not what you think it is. What ever it is. It is a computer game that I used to play. It may sound appropriate, but you got it all wrong.

[Julie Andrews]

Tried the other combinations. This one had the best ring to it.

[kontra]

Originally Posted by Julie Andrews

Tried the other combinations. This one had the best ring to it.

HAHAHA!!!! For a while there I thought that it the real thing. Can you sing the "sound of music" too?

[Julie Andrews]

Well, I prefer to "rock the boat."
CHEERS fellow rebels!

[kontra]

Originally Posted by Julie Andrews

Well, I prefer to "rock the boat."
CHEERS fellow rebels!

ahehehe...... ah, the song that made JH famous.

[Cessna1052]

Originally Posted by Julie Andrews

Tried the other combinations. This one had the best ring to it.

What a combination? Perfect Amigo!......now, lets rock the boat.

[5pfarms]

Originally Posted by flyboy72

Nothing contrary at all e6. It should stop "padding" (limitedly) which is actually the purpose...now 01-06 should be "ok" cause less you got problems you CAN get a clearance. Now if a pilot (not necessarily PAL pilots) have been padding then you got a problem, unless a pilot is in cohoots with the owner or operator, and that poses a totally different problem.

And with PAL pilots leaving, it's their choice. You made the choice in 98 to do what you think is right for YOU, and not for your fellow pilots, or for your dreaded ALPAP officers (where are they now by the way). It was for you and your family. If leaving PAL now is "hard", why did they even get into it.

You see, its not about 01-06. It's how the pilots feel with regards to their working environment or situation. If things were satisfactory to the pilot's liking, 01-06 would not be in question. And guess what...while the exodus was going on...the pilots were having a hayday...and 01-06 is not gonna stop that.

with 01-06, does it not make keeping a log book useless cause they will not honor the entries? just a thought

[DeltaSix]

Logbook entries and all the clearances in the world will mean jack **** if you fail the flight test. I have seen 300 hour pilots that would make 2,000 hour pilots look green.

D6

[flyboy72]

Good day fellows.

Well further research were made through a "contact" with regards to 01-06. Come to think of it, how pointless...if you can "pad" and get a "flight certification" (fake), then I would suppose you can do the same with the required "clearance".

Anyway, the 01-06 alone can't break a pilot...but combine it with the 6 month advance notice (PAL), the looooong term contract for training, and the OFW 5-year ban implemented by the POEA (the ban not being limited to just aviation professional of course)...that will ultimately prevent pilots from being employed overseas.

C1052, e6...your assessment regarding as to how this 01-06 came about is CORRECT. Inside info reveals that 01-06 was "forcibly" signed...not by Jimmy Bautista (doesn't know his head from his ), not by LT cause like I said NJ does not heed even to tycoons who have all the money. Take a pot shot guess on who it is cause NJ only serves to the pleasure of only one person.

That is all for now.

[Cessna1052]

Originally Posted by flyboy72

Good day fellows.

Well further research were made through a "contact" with regards to 01-06. Come to think of it, how pointless...if you can "pad" and get a "flight certification" (fake), then I would suppose you can do the same with the required "clearance".

Anyway, the 01-06 alone can't break a pilot...but combine it with the 6 month advance notice (PAL), the looooong term contract for training, and the OFW 5-year ban implemented by the POEA (the ban not being limited to just aviation professional of course)...that will ultimately prevent pilots from being employed overseas.

C1052, e6...your assessment regarding as to how this 01-06 came about is CORRECT. Inside info reveals that 01-06 was "forcibly" signed...not by Jimmy Bautista (doesn't know his head from his ), not by LT cause like I said NJ does not heed even to tycoons who have all the money. Take a pot shot guess on who it is cause NJ only serves to the pleasure of only one person.

That is all for now.

Flyboy72,
I can only guess two possible answer. If its not the President of the Philippines, then it must be His WIFE..... .

[flyboy72]

Originally Posted by Cessna1052

Flyboy72,
I can only guess two possible answer. If its not the President of the Philippines, then it must be His WIFE..... .

Hahaha the wife part was actually a good answer...but its the other person.

[jaggernaut]

congress pressure

Originally Posted by DeltaSix

I think I have said this before to you E6B, it is an idiotic idea on the part of the ATO and whoever they are coniving with. Also, renewing your ATPL is a personal matter, all they should care about is whether you have renewed it or not, full stop. Don't even start to think "why" they are doing this to pilots as the only answer you will get are lies to serve their interest especially if businessmen and politicians are involved.
They think all of you are so gullible to fall for this crap and won't be able to do or say anything about it. Unfortunately, that might be exactly how the cookie crumbles in this country.
I'd seriously think about getting the US FAA ATP and get the hell out of there faster than you can say "go".

"In the Interest of National Safety and Security" they say? .... now let's see... how will charging you every 6 months to renew your license or having a clearance from your "employer" in the interest of national security ?
Now, who's the terrorists here ? you or them ? This whole fiasco has more holes than a colander. I can only shake my head.

Bisaya - all the best, good luck mate. Give me a ring next time you're in Sydney.

DeltaSix

NJ was pressured when congressman roseller barinaga made a privelege speech about ATO not making any move to stop the pilots and the acft mechanics leaving the phil. For info roseller was one of the unknown figures behind mr tan before he became a congressman. I guess its pay back time. He is trying to pass a law that would stop pilots from leaving the phil for the next 5 years. Just imagine you can't leave for better paying offers. LT is really powerful don't you think so? He even appears during congressional hearings to show pressure to the legislators.

jaggernaut

[Cessna1052]

I guess its pay back time. He is trying to pass a law that would stop pilots from leaving the phil for the next 5 years. Just imagine you can't leave for better paying offers. LT is really powerful don't you think so? He even appears during congressional hearings to show pressure to the legislators.

jaggernaut[/quote]

So, How hopeless is hopeless????? Are the chances now down to Zero for the guys who have plans?

[dasmith]

leaving phils for better places...

It is true that poea controls exits from the country for employment purposes. What is to stop a filipino citizen from leaving the country as a "tourist" then proceeding to his job?

[DeltaSix]

Working overseas

Originally Posted by dasmith

What is to stop a filipino citizen from leaving the country as a "tourist" then proceeding to his job?

I totally agree. Employers here will NEVER ask your authorization from POEA or your airline to work from them. As long as you have the correct Visa, their requirements, and you're in. I guess, that's something on the bright side.

If you explain to them how vindictive your airline is by not giving you the work reference as they are like the Gestappo, I'm sure they will understand.

Just show them your log book.

D6

[powderkeg]

ADDENDUM

Originally Posted by tsuper

Capt. "Do Not Rock The Boat" earns 900,000 a month. I guess his actions in Philippine Airlines are all "in aid of job security." His "solutions" to the PAL exodus is planned for the short term (up to his retirement date only, 2008 or 2009 yata!). After that date, bahala na kayo!!! Do the math, 1.5 months pay per year of service multiplied by more than 30 years on top of the 25% of monthly pay promised per month of service. These guys will definitely go into survival mode and tell you "DO NOT ROCK THE BOAT."

hey guys! cant help but pitch in from the sidelines. RIGHT ON! I agree with u 100% that Capt. Rock the boat is in survival mode. this move is another ace up his sleeve. No one knows up to what extent he will go just to show how much he loves to suck his chinese Boss's ASS! all in the guise of patrotism....

To you Capt. Rock the Boat, being patriotic as you may sound (if indeed you wrote the letter) why dont you prove us all wrong and make the sacrifice to your company and country

-resign from your position
-fly regular schedules like line capts
-live on a line capts. pay
-donate your excess pay to your deprived pilots
-include your would be retirement, to help your company tide things over for the next few years at least

maybe then you can set both of your feet on the ground once more and help you realize you were once HUMAN........

[planestupid]

Originally Posted by dasmith

What is to stop a filipino citizen from leaving the country as a "tourist" then proceeding to his job?

I agree dasmith. What does poea do anyway, besides collect bribes and hand out phoney certificates for filipinos to work abroad? What are they going to do? Arrest a filipino that has left the country for a couple of years after working abroad?

Here is a quote from POEA website:

MISSION
the POEA’s mission is “to ensure decent and productive employment for Overseas Filipino Workers.”

·Guarantee of migrant workers rights
·Stricter rules on illegal recruitment activities and the corresponding penalties


WOW.... what a bola!!! Sounds like the gestapo to me!! How do they guarantee rights of migrant workers? Stricter rules = BRIBES. Tell me what other country does this to its people? Tell me the equivalent in the US or any country? You can't, kasi there is no agency like them.
Does that mean the will revoke our citizenship if you leave to work abroad? Like a lot of these government agencies... they are there to lord it over the people, extort money and add no real benefit to the community that pays for them.

[Julie Andrews]

That's because Americans don't go abroad to work as toilet cleaners. The POEA exists because of maids and other blue-collar workers, and they really do their job. If an aspiring OFW needs info on a certain recruiter, he/she can go to the POEA. Not all government agencies are ineffective, you know.

Next time, try not to live up to your name.

P.S. Stop making reference to the Gestapo; you dunno what it is. But since you mentioned
it, there's one right inside Gate 1.

[bisaya]

Give the pilots their wings

Give the pilots their wings
The Manila Times
EDITORIAL
Saturday, March 18, 2006


SAYING the exodus of Filipino pilots and aircraft mechanics will kill them, the Lucio Tan-owned Philippine Airlines, sister-firm Air Philippines, the Gokongwei family-controlled Cebu Pacific Air, and the Turalba, Onate and Po triumvirate’s the Asian Spirit are all urging government to impose a moratorium on (meaning “to stop”) the deployment abroad of the industry’s skilled labor.

The native carriers are funding a media campaign to warn about the coming demise of the country’s airline industry for lack of pilots, mechanics and other technically skilled personnel. They have invoked nationalism and national security, even promoted some xenophobia, to secure media mileage and clinch public support for their move to keep pilots and mechanics Philippine-bound.

The high rate of foreign rivals’ “poaching” on airline talent will leave the four Filipino carriers without a single pilot and mechanic four years from now.

“Poaching” is an interesting term to use for the OFW phenomenon, which allows Filipinos to hold jobs abroad that pay them very much more than their salaries here at home.

We didn’t hear the terms “deployment moratorium” and “poaching” used for the draining of teachers and nurses from our educational and health systems, which are the heart of the nation’s human-capital infrastructure. Teachers and nurses are perhaps more important to the common good and national survival than pilots and mechanics. Yet, why has the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration endorsed the native airlines’ call to forbid Filipino pilots and mechanics from working abroad, while it did not lift a finger to keep our teachers and nurses from holding jobs as domestic helpers and caregivers abroad?

The government must ignore the airline companies’ clamor for the deployment ban, which is unconstitutional. There are other more effective and legally uncontroversial ways of persuading our pilots and mechanics to stay at home and keep our airlines amply-manned.

All concerned in the government—in the executive and legislative branches—should first of all rigorously examine what really ails the domestic airline industry and how it may best be addressed.

Forbiding pilots and airline mechanics and technicians from seeking jobs abroad violates their constitutional right to travel and work where they please. A government-imposed moratorium would also violate the human-rights principles of the United Nations. Did the airlines really think their move to classify the pilots’ exodus as a part of the national emergency encompassed by Proclamation 1017 would wash?
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