Air Japan/ANA & expat pilots (Merged).
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Absolutely,
Morale is rock bottom at a lot of airlines these days but could you outline the issues at AJX which are turning pilots towards greener pastures?
Shags
Morale is rock bottom at a lot of airlines these days but could you outline the issues at AJX which are turning pilots towards greener pastures?
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Absolutely, Could you give a general picture of t&c, rostering etc?
Would salary and allowances be sufficent to live in Japan with children in private schools/good medical package for a family etc ?
Maris
Would salary and allowances be sufficent to live in Japan with children in private schools/good medical package for a family etc ?
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Yeh SHAGS, you're right, morale is bad most places nowdays!
It's usual management stuff. Screwing around with the contract, trying to save 10 Yen. Amongst other things "B Scales" were introduced about a year ago for Upgraded FO's and New FO's, although they just announced a bit of an increase for them as they can't get anyone to join. Still not up to the original Capt and FO salaries.
Commuting allowance still does not cover a full fare economy ticket from anywhere.
Contract is 10 days off/month. Very rare to get one day more than that as they constantly point out that the contract says 10 days. So we used to sit around in Japan on extra days off doing nothing! Although they are so short of pilots now it's very rare to be sitting around. Nippon Cargo management, on the other hand, have always had the attitude if you are not required to fly then stay at home and they generally get about 15 days off/month. However I think they are busier now too.
If you want to work in Japan then NCA is the hands down winner.
OTTER: training will take between 6 and 8 months. Rostering is very poor, still done by hand, not enough pilots, majority is all night, very fatiguing, no fair spread of overtime and heaps of Dead Heading around Japan. Some schedules have you doing 2 bus trips (one of which is 1.5 hours), a dead head then another 1.5 hour bus trip, then an all night flight to HNL. It's madness! Unfortunately it's legal in this place.
You can not live here with your family and work for AJX. No visas are arranged, except for training. You enter and exit Japan on a shore pass as per any foreign crew.
Hope this has helped.
It's usual management stuff. Screwing around with the contract, trying to save 10 Yen. Amongst other things "B Scales" were introduced about a year ago for Upgraded FO's and New FO's, although they just announced a bit of an increase for them as they can't get anyone to join. Still not up to the original Capt and FO salaries.
Commuting allowance still does not cover a full fare economy ticket from anywhere.
Contract is 10 days off/month. Very rare to get one day more than that as they constantly point out that the contract says 10 days. So we used to sit around in Japan on extra days off doing nothing! Although they are so short of pilots now it's very rare to be sitting around. Nippon Cargo management, on the other hand, have always had the attitude if you are not required to fly then stay at home and they generally get about 15 days off/month. However I think they are busier now too.
If you want to work in Japan then NCA is the hands down winner.
OTTER: training will take between 6 and 8 months. Rostering is very poor, still done by hand, not enough pilots, majority is all night, very fatiguing, no fair spread of overtime and heaps of Dead Heading around Japan. Some schedules have you doing 2 bus trips (one of which is 1.5 hours), a dead head then another 1.5 hour bus trip, then an all night flight to HNL. It's madness! Unfortunately it's legal in this place.
You can not live here with your family and work for AJX. No visas are arranged, except for training. You enter and exit Japan on a shore pass as per any foreign crew.
Hope this has helped.
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Can anyone out there give me the basics of the Air Japan contract. I have sent an email to which I as yet have no reply from IAC. What is the monthly pay and tax. Is accomodation provided and what is it like. For the commuting contract, what allowance or system is in place to get back to Aus. When all things considered what is the job really like? Also is the pay in US Dollars and what is it?
Thanks for any help on this matter
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ishi59, some of the available contracts are through IAC as they had an ad in the Australian on Friday, a decent size ad too. Still regardless of that does anyone have the contract details handy??
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Standard working month is 70 flight hours per month (20/21 days per month).
Yr 1 US$6,462 per month
Yr 2 US$7,538 per month
Yr 3 US$7,824 per month
Yr 4 US$7,991 per month
Yr 5 US$8,115 per month
Completion bonus of US$300 per month is retained from the above and paid after completion of 5 years of service.
Per Diem: During operations period US$884 per month.
Not really that impressive!!
Yr 1 US$6,462 per month
Yr 2 US$7,538 per month
Yr 3 US$7,824 per month
Yr 4 US$7,991 per month
Yr 5 US$8,115 per month
Completion bonus of US$300 per month is retained from the above and paid after completion of 5 years of service.
Per Diem: During operations period US$884 per month.
Not really that impressive!!
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OK here is a quick question regarding the whole situation in Japan..
Me...757/767 F/O rated and Exp, currently in Europe but wifey wants to be back in NZ for the little en's
What are the barriers to employment in Japan?
I hear the medical requirements are draconian, you have to complete the ATPL again..etc.etc..done a bit of a search but nothing really seems to follow what Ive seen or been told. Anyone able to fill in the blanks?
Oh yeah, I was looking at the ANA contract via Hawaiian aviation
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Me...757/767 F/O rated and Exp, currently in Europe but wifey wants to be back in NZ for the little en's
What are the barriers to employment in Japan?
I hear the medical requirements are draconian, you have to complete the ATPL again..etc.etc..done a bit of a search but nothing really seems to follow what Ive seen or been told. Anyone able to fill in the blanks?
Oh yeah, I was looking at the ANA contract via Hawaiian aviation
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Yep got a JAA ATPL, and an NZ ATPL, so ok, but my question relates to what is involved..like you say if its a law exam and a sim check cool
As for the "comprehensive" medical..what does that entail?..(I wear contact lenses etc..get stressed everytime I see a white coat..etc etc) and do you have to be in Japan to do the medical, as Ive been told its more of a spanish inquisition rather than a check of your well being
As for the "comprehensive" medical..what does that entail?..(I wear contact lenses etc..get stressed everytime I see a white coat..etc etc) and do you have to be in Japan to do the medical, as Ive been told its more of a spanish inquisition rather than a check of your well being
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h1, if you hold a CAT 1 medical now there is probably no reason you wouldn't pass the JCAB medical. They do however take a closer look at cholesterol and BMI which might keep you from getting the job.
The only way to find out is to apply for the job, go to the interview and take the medical. I'm not sure but even if you hold a JCAB medical you may still be required to take a pre-employment medical as well. It is the same medical as a flight crew medical but you won't be issued one until you do another one on completion of training.
As I said contact one of the agencies and give it a try.
The only way to find out is to apply for the job, go to the interview and take the medical. I'm not sure but even if you hold a JCAB medical you may still be required to take a pre-employment medical as well. It is the same medical as a flight crew medical but you won't be issued one until you do another one on completion of training.
As I said contact one of the agencies and give it a try.
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Tax
Hi,
I am currently looking at the ANA contract through PARC.
Can anyone help with respect to taxes in Japan. What is a ball park tax figure for say earning 100k USD/12.0m Yen/yr and do they tax the Per diems/personnel allowance.
Thanks for any help.
Boofy
I am currently looking at the ANA contract through PARC.
Can anyone help with respect to taxes in Japan. What is a ball park tax figure for say earning 100k USD/12.0m Yen/yr and do they tax the Per diems/personnel allowance.
Thanks for any help.
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You don't live in Japan on the Air Japan contract, so you don't pay Japanese taxes.
You pay the taxes of the country you are commuting from.
The contract agency simply pays you. You must declare to your home government what you made.
There is an ex-NCA driver from the US in jail right now because he "forgot" to make that declaration.
You pay the taxes of the country you are commuting from.
The contract agency simply pays you. You must declare to your home government what you made.
There is an ex-NCA driver from the US in jail right now because he "forgot" to make that declaration.
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SHAGS: Sorry, my earlier reply was misleading, NCA does not base foreigners in Japan. I just meant NCA is the best of all the Japanese contracts.
Haughtney1: About 50% of all applicants fail the JCAB Medical, doesn't matter what sort of medical you currently hold. The Japanese ATPL does not mean doing subjects, it is your final sim check which is called the ATPL check. It will involve Air Law and a Radio exam plus at least 20 sims, even if you are type rated. Usual time to get through is 5 to 8 months. It's not difficult just mind numbingly boring and repetitive!
Haughtney1: About 50% of all applicants fail the JCAB Medical, doesn't matter what sort of medical you currently hold. The Japanese ATPL does not mean doing subjects, it is your final sim check which is called the ATPL check. It will involve Air Law and a Radio exam plus at least 20 sims, even if you are type rated. Usual time to get through is 5 to 8 months. It's not difficult just mind numbingly boring and repetitive!
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ISHI59: Sorry to dissapoint you Ishi but IAC has just got the AJX contract as well as PARC and HACS. This is the AJX solution to getting someone to turn up to an interview. Because of "B Scales" and morale they can't get anyone at the moment.
