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go get a proper job
RM123, well said and I agree.
But why should we have to go get a proper job? There is a proper job right here. Its the poor standard of DFO and the fleet office that needs to be changed.
Sadly many top draw folk have left, got fed up-sorry thats tiredandfedup- as well, or got turfed out like JE. Thats what they want, if they had their way they would replace us all with kids and just cuff us round the ears when we say Oy thats illegal.
As you say life is catching up with them, and so is JE from what I hear doing the rounds. Good on him.
But why should we have to go get a proper job? There is a proper job right here. Its the poor standard of DFO and the fleet office that needs to be changed.
Sadly many top draw folk have left, got fed up-sorry thats tiredandfedup- as well, or got turfed out like JE. Thats what they want, if they had their way they would replace us all with kids and just cuff us round the ears when we say Oy thats illegal.
As you say life is catching up with them, and so is JE from what I hear doing the rounds. Good on him.
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Slowly coming to a head!
Legal action and justice is gradually but inexorably creeping up on them now. One of them also has an extra little surprise to look forward to later this year.
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I am sure he is a top bloke but one top bloke on his own isn't going to achieve much. He will rapidly become disillusioned if there isn't a team of top blokes put in place all at one time to replace the self serving incompetents that we have been stuck with for far too long.
Come the revolution, the 767 fleet and deputy fleet managersshould be the first ones to be issued with blindfolds and a last cigarette.
Come the revolution, the 767 fleet and deputy fleet managersshould be the first ones to be issued with blindfolds and a last cigarette.
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Change is in the air You See
Changes for new management to address you see.
Let Rostering Roster. No writing of own rosters from fleet office or training section. Security scanner outside Rostering to check for boxes of chocolates and HELLO magazines.
Impress on 767 Training dept that RBA does still fly to DXB, LHR and FRA and that Taining Dept MUST instruct to the WEST of Brunei even if it means working weekends and missing out on long SYD/AKL/BNE trips. Its what you get paid for but you aren't doing it.
Require a 10000 word paper each from DFO and 767 FM and DFM as to why their leadership tenure has been such a failure and why they should not face disciplinary proceedings.
Dismiss from office all those who abuse their positions, ignore their managerial responsibilities and regard RBA as their own private flying club.
That is a very small start.
More suggestions anyone?
Let Rostering Roster. No writing of own rosters from fleet office or training section. Security scanner outside Rostering to check for boxes of chocolates and HELLO magazines.
Impress on 767 Training dept that RBA does still fly to DXB, LHR and FRA and that Taining Dept MUST instruct to the WEST of Brunei even if it means working weekends and missing out on long SYD/AKL/BNE trips. Its what you get paid for but you aren't doing it.
Require a 10000 word paper each from DFO and 767 FM and DFM as to why their leadership tenure has been such a failure and why they should not face disciplinary proceedings.
Dismiss from office all those who abuse their positions, ignore their managerial responsibilities and regard RBA as their own private flying club.
That is a very small start.
More suggestions anyone?
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Gallows Humour
The humour that we now read pretty well sums up what a joke, yup a very sad joke, as to the lack of respect these three have brought upon themselves.
If you see them all huddled together at Door 4R dont be suprised, only amused. They know whats coming, there will be a queue to light the paper.
If you see them all huddled together at Door 4R dont be suprised, only amused. They know whats coming, there will be a queue to light the paper.
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More experience to leave
Experienced line captains and at least one sim instructor are now involved in interviews for other airlines. No guesses for where. SIA Cargo and the Sand Pit continue to attract whats left of RBAs cream with packages that are only industry average.
IMHO RBA is now well past the point of no return. Its very sad to see and, as I prepare for my own retirement, I have real doubts whether RBA or I will go first. It used to be such a good place to work. We geared up in the mid 90s to operate to west coast USA and at one stage had 120 B767/757 crews, 9 B767 and 2 B757 airplanes. The airplanes were well maintained, exchange rates meant that salary was ok in Aus/Nz/UK/USA/Yarpie terms and we had regular Flight Ops barbecues on the beach. Morale was sky high and the social life was unbelievable.
Now there are only 6 B767s which are constantly aog and falling apart due to lack of downtime to fix snags, there are barely 50 B767 crews - mostly hours builders waiting to leave - and the long haul tasking has actually increased.
All this, and we are run by fleet managers that still think they can cherry pick where and when they want to fly.
The last CEO has to carry lots of the blame but there has been no leadership at all from within Flight Ops. Say what you like about Foxy but he knew how to go to a board meeting and fight Flight Ops corner. I really believe that the current managers have given up caring and are just milking the last drop until they head off to pastures new or retire, leaving yet another failed airline behind.
If RBA was a horse it would have been shot by now.
IMHO RBA is now well past the point of no return. Its very sad to see and, as I prepare for my own retirement, I have real doubts whether RBA or I will go first. It used to be such a good place to work. We geared up in the mid 90s to operate to west coast USA and at one stage had 120 B767/757 crews, 9 B767 and 2 B757 airplanes. The airplanes were well maintained, exchange rates meant that salary was ok in Aus/Nz/UK/USA/Yarpie terms and we had regular Flight Ops barbecues on the beach. Morale was sky high and the social life was unbelievable.
Now there are only 6 B767s which are constantly aog and falling apart due to lack of downtime to fix snags, there are barely 50 B767 crews - mostly hours builders waiting to leave - and the long haul tasking has actually increased.
All this, and we are run by fleet managers that still think they can cherry pick where and when they want to fly.
The last CEO has to carry lots of the blame but there has been no leadership at all from within Flight Ops. Say what you like about Foxy but he knew how to go to a board meeting and fight Flight Ops corner. I really believe that the current managers have given up caring and are just milking the last drop until they head off to pastures new or retire, leaving yet another failed airline behind.
If RBA was a horse it would have been shot by now.
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New Flight Time Limitations
New EU FTLs will come into effect soon. If DCA allow RBA to follow the new scheme as opposed to the existing CAP371 then we can all look forward to working even harder.
See http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=215561
for a discussion on the pros and cons.
See http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=215561
for a discussion on the pros and cons.
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You hit the nail on the head RM123
RBA rostering has made significant changes over recent years.
Is it apathy, ignorance or selfishness that has allowed this to happen with no improvements made by management.
Slip patterns have been reduced from 1.5 – 2 weeks trips, with no all night long haul flights been flown on subsequent nights. (This allowed block days off to recover when returning to Bwn.)
This changed to 5-7 day slip patterns, always working on subsequent all night flights, and now positioning after your long haul flight. Yet the standard 8 days off in Bwn remained unchanged. Therefore block days off cannot be given.
Also local flights have been taken over by the Airbus, and reduced crew numbers due cost cutting and overworked, underpaid pilots leaving in disgust has made the situation worse.
Look at the days off given at home base of long haul pilots of respectable airlines, they would be appalled at RBAs rostering. Both with respect to Crews health and safety, and the safety considerations of the airlines passengers.
When will they realize more mandatory days off need to be given in Bwn to recover from the short but busy patterns, or the slip patterns extended as before.
There are rumors circling of certain management pilots saying they’ve done there fair share of lhr’s and Fra’s in there time, but these were back when no one minded them, they were 1.5 – 2 week trips. Therefore they are entitled to write there own rosters, not doing these trips. This means the line pilots are doing way more than their share of these fatiguing patterns, back to back with little time in Bwn to recover in between.
Is it likely to change when you have a DFO who doesn’t even fly, and who is neglecting his position held and duty to stop this dangerous practice.
Other management pilots who because they have been there longer than the line pilots, think RBA owe them something, writing their own rosters and doing one of these patterns once a year.
Knowing there selfish attitude will significantly impact all the other pilots in the company, yet show no guilt.
A BOD who would not risk changing anything that might increase costs for fear of losing their high salary job for doing nothing and making no decisions, and a new CEO who I fear is in the same position.
So the standard RBA policy of ‘If you don’t like it F%$! off remains, and is unlikely to change.
Is it apathy, ignorance or selfishness that has allowed this to happen with no improvements made by management.
Slip patterns have been reduced from 1.5 – 2 weeks trips, with no all night long haul flights been flown on subsequent nights. (This allowed block days off to recover when returning to Bwn.)
This changed to 5-7 day slip patterns, always working on subsequent all night flights, and now positioning after your long haul flight. Yet the standard 8 days off in Bwn remained unchanged. Therefore block days off cannot be given.
Also local flights have been taken over by the Airbus, and reduced crew numbers due cost cutting and overworked, underpaid pilots leaving in disgust has made the situation worse.
Look at the days off given at home base of long haul pilots of respectable airlines, they would be appalled at RBAs rostering. Both with respect to Crews health and safety, and the safety considerations of the airlines passengers.
When will they realize more mandatory days off need to be given in Bwn to recover from the short but busy patterns, or the slip patterns extended as before.
There are rumors circling of certain management pilots saying they’ve done there fair share of lhr’s and Fra’s in there time, but these were back when no one minded them, they were 1.5 – 2 week trips. Therefore they are entitled to write there own rosters, not doing these trips. This means the line pilots are doing way more than their share of these fatiguing patterns, back to back with little time in Bwn to recover in between.
Is it likely to change when you have a DFO who doesn’t even fly, and who is neglecting his position held and duty to stop this dangerous practice.
Other management pilots who because they have been there longer than the line pilots, think RBA owe them something, writing their own rosters and doing one of these patterns once a year.
Knowing there selfish attitude will significantly impact all the other pilots in the company, yet show no guilt.
A BOD who would not risk changing anything that might increase costs for fear of losing their high salary job for doing nothing and making no decisions, and a new CEO who I fear is in the same position.
So the standard RBA policy of ‘If you don’t like it F%$! off remains, and is unlikely to change.
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Time for a change
We are stuck with the abusers of power and will have to deal with the situation ourselves.
First of all, they know they can't go anywhere else and get away with their disgraceful behaviour like they do in Brunei.
Secondly, most of them are incapable of obtaining employment elsewhere due to their own professional shortcomings.
Thirdly, the word is out in every airline that has employed an ex RBA pilot in recent years that these people are trouble and should not be employed.
So, what are we going to do about it?
First of all, they know they can't go anywhere else and get away with their disgraceful behaviour like they do in Brunei.
Secondly, most of them are incapable of obtaining employment elsewhere due to their own professional shortcomings.
Thirdly, the word is out in every airline that has employed an ex RBA pilot in recent years that these people are trouble and should not be employed.
So, what are we going to do about it?
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Training flights to Australia
An ideal opportunity for the Boeing Training Department is about to be presented in a new GFON. It details the new PER summer service when a double crew will operate a 767 BWN - PER - BWN without getting off the aeroplane.
There is now no need to waste all that valuable training time with all those lengthy and unproductive layovers in AKL SYD and BNE is there?
I wonder what excuse will be given to now make PER unsuitable for training.
There is now no need to waste all that valuable training time with all those lengthy and unproductive layovers in AKL SYD and BNE is there?
I wonder what excuse will be given to now make PER unsuitable for training.
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Flights Cancelled and Delayed
It seems shortage of crews and airplanes is starting to have an effect. Flights were cancelled yesterday evening as there was no airplane for the TPE flight.
Sadly, it will only get worse.
Tired and fed up said ;
"This changed to 5-7 day slip patterns, always working on subsequent all night flights, and now positioning after your long haul flight. Yet the standard 8 days off in Bwn remained unchanged. Therefore block days off cannot be given."
It seems that block days off are now allocated but not to lowly line crews. Only some senior managers and trainers. Check the trainers and managers rosters and you will see the details.
Sadly, it will only get worse.
Tired and fed up said ;
"This changed to 5-7 day slip patterns, always working on subsequent all night flights, and now positioning after your long haul flight. Yet the standard 8 days off in Bwn remained unchanged. Therefore block days off cannot be given."
It seems that block days off are now allocated but not to lowly line crews. Only some senior managers and trainers. Check the trainers and managers rosters and you will see the details.
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The Delayed Departure Of The DFO (Like RBA Shedules)?
Cannot happen soon enough and we would all be delighted to see the back of him.
The previous DFO might not have been overly popular, but at least he could bat for the troops, drawing respect for maintaining standards in Flight Operations.
The present DFO has been a mear shadow (well he always was I hear you say) and has been true to form. Since his arrival as DFO standards have plunged and terms and conditions as well. The lack of any leadership skills has really been no suprise.
How do you describe a DFO who sits in his office all day and on most occasions that I have observed engrosses himself with the Borneo Bulletin. This when you are knackered from back to back long haul and fatigue is rampant throughout the fleet. He cares not, and neglects his responsibilities, abuses his power and allows 2 deputies to abuse theirs as well.
When did we last see the DFO in MCC, I doubt if he remembers how to get there, maybe he knows what a hazardous journey it is these days. Does he have a vaild Airport Pass I wonder? Lamentably lazy when it comes to any involvment to better the work and safety, pay and conditions and general wellbeing of the Company as a whole.
When did he ever do a BKKFRA to see for himself the lack of facilities for decent rest. Nope, would'nt even enter his mind.
A tidy little number leading from the rear and pocketing more than we might think.
Sooner its over the better.
The previous DFO might not have been overly popular, but at least he could bat for the troops, drawing respect for maintaining standards in Flight Operations.
The present DFO has been a mear shadow (well he always was I hear you say) and has been true to form. Since his arrival as DFO standards have plunged and terms and conditions as well. The lack of any leadership skills has really been no suprise.
How do you describe a DFO who sits in his office all day and on most occasions that I have observed engrosses himself with the Borneo Bulletin. This when you are knackered from back to back long haul and fatigue is rampant throughout the fleet. He cares not, and neglects his responsibilities, abuses his power and allows 2 deputies to abuse theirs as well.
When did we last see the DFO in MCC, I doubt if he remembers how to get there, maybe he knows what a hazardous journey it is these days. Does he have a vaild Airport Pass I wonder? Lamentably lazy when it comes to any involvment to better the work and safety, pay and conditions and general wellbeing of the Company as a whole.
When did he ever do a BKKFRA to see for himself the lack of facilities for decent rest. Nope, would'nt even enter his mind.
A tidy little number leading from the rear and pocketing more than we might think.
Sooner its over the better.
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BKKFRA. Get to polish the karaoke skills (amongst others) at the HJB (that is if BWM hasn't beaten me to the mic) 
Free breakfast in FRA when you pick up 200 fags 
More karaokes on the return sector. Bit a laundry in BWN and off again with a half ironed uniform. Great life....
Free breakfast in FRA when you pick up 200 fags More karaokes on the return sector. Bit a laundry in BWN and off again with a half ironed uniform. Great life....
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If you like BKK FRA that much you can have my next ones for free. Do we still fly to Australia?
You are right about BWM and the mic though. I remember not being able to get him off the mic at Foxys leaving do.
You are right about BWM and the mic though. I remember not being able to get him off the mic at Foxys leaving do.