any chances for EU pilots in Asia?/Ex Mas Pilots, (Merged).
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any chances for EU pilots in Asia?
Hello
Are there any chances for an EU pilot with JAR licence 1500 tt and a B737 rating looking for a FO position in Asia?
It seems that most of the companies only hire expat captains through agencies.
But maybe you can prove me wrong.
Cheers JB
Are there any chances for an EU pilot with JAR licence 1500 tt and a B737 rating looking for a FO position in Asia?
It seems that most of the companies only hire expat captains through agencies.
But maybe you can prove me wrong.
Cheers JB
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yes it happen only if will accept low salary compare to EU country but, 
reverse the situation can Captain not yet FO get a job in EU country?????
something magic hope David Copperfield will change this situation
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Speedtwoten:
If I read your post right you claim that Far East pilots (Malaysians) can not get a job in EU?!?
I think the answer to that lies in the (lack of) ability of Malaysians, trained by MFA with the lowest standards, no procedures and absolutely no knowledge.
DCA is thirdworld
MOT is thirdworld
And Gp. Capt. (R) K. is definitely as useless as a third nipple (if you use the other two)
No offense intended, just an objective look at some facts.
"Its better to leave than to be left behind"
If I read your post right you claim that Far East pilots (Malaysians) can not get a job in EU?!?
I think the answer to that lies in the (lack of) ability of Malaysians, trained by MFA with the lowest standards, no procedures and absolutely no knowledge.
DCA is thirdworld
MOT is thirdworld
And Gp. Capt. (R) K. is definitely as useless as a third nipple (if you use the other two)
No offense intended, just an objective look at some facts.
"Its better to leave than to be left behind"
Speedtwoten,
The impediments to a Pilot of Asian origin flying in the EU are the same as for anyone-
1) Gaining a JAR License
2) Having right-of-abode in the EU.
These are just as limiting for an American or Australian as for a Malasian, Philipino or whomever. If you can overcome these i assure you you will be judged on your merits.
Regards
The impediments to a Pilot of Asian origin flying in the EU are the same as for anyone-
1) Gaining a JAR License
2) Having right-of-abode in the EU.
These are just as limiting for an American or Australian as for a Malasian, Philipino or whomever. If you can overcome these i assure you you will be judged on your merits.
Regards
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Ex-MAS Pilots
Ex-MAS pilots have moved to various corners of the world and have been accepted. Almost all that I have spoken to are very happy with the pay, terms and conditions, perks and respect accorded to them by the various airlines that have taken them in.
As of now they work in CAL, EVA, KAL, ASIANA, SQ, CX, QF, EK, EY, QR, AVN, AA, LANKA, JAL, etc.
Is there something inherently wrong in MAS that national pilots prefer to uproot and leave the National Carrier to re-locate?
There can't be many Asian airlines that see an exodus of local pilots to the extent that foreign pilots have to be employed.
As of now they work in CAL, EVA, KAL, ASIANA, SQ, CX, QF, EK, EY, QR, AVN, AA, LANKA, JAL, etc.
Is there something inherently wrong in MAS that national pilots prefer to uproot and leave the National Carrier to re-locate?
There can't be many Asian airlines that see an exodus of local pilots to the extent that foreign pilots have to be employed.
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wizofoz it is the same for you all in Asia, but the question is "Are there any chance" I hope you and Robert Palmer are flying and living in EU, so tell me how many expat asian are there, and are any company in EU will giving support to obtain all document required for us from Asia, or they just thinking we are from the world of lack of ability like Robert Palmer said 
and please look SQ and other big Asian carrier, we able working together with EU driver means we all have the chance here no worry lah
Speedwoten,
Problem is that certainly my EU country of residence has too many pilots and not enough jobs, Plus Too many cheap charlie's want you too pay for a typerating to get in. Before coming here I wass offered a job flying an F27 after paying way more than you should for the rating plus only guaranteed the job after line training
I was offered a position here knowing I didnt have to pay anything like plus knowing I wasnt taking a job from a local, This outfit still short.
Funnily enough I was plus some mates of mine turned down for a kiwi with 300 hours we all had 1000 plus then cos he had mates in that Airline back home.
If I can help any one with advice give us a pm,
Regards,
Problem is that certainly my EU country of residence has too many pilots and not enough jobs, Plus Too many cheap charlie's want you too pay for a typerating to get in. Before coming here I wass offered a job flying an F27 after paying way more than you should for the rating plus only guaranteed the job after line training
I was offered a position here knowing I didnt have to pay anything like plus knowing I wasnt taking a job from a local, This outfit still short.
Funnily enough I was plus some mates of mine turned down for a kiwi with 300 hours we all had 1000 plus then cos he had mates in that Airline back home.
If I can help any one with advice give us a pm,
Regards,
any company in EU will giving support to obtain all document required for us from Asia,
No none. But the point is they don't do this for ANYONE. I'm Australian and had to obtain all the necessary documentation by myself before I could even apply to an EU airline.
One difference is that most Asian countries have a policy of employing locals wherever possible. This is NOT the case in the EU or indeed most western countries (indeed it is illegal in most). If you have the right to live there and the necessary
qualifications, you will be judged the same as anyone else.
a kiwi with 300 hours we all had 1000 plus then cos he had mates in that Airline back home.
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I would like to see which malaysian want to pay 40% of tax in Europe?
And just to remind you ALL,there are restrictions for YEARS in the EU even against the citizens of newly joined countries to get a work permit in western Europe.
So,even me a citizen of the European Union with JAA ATPL and rating cant have any kind of job in UK,Scandinavia,France ,Germany,Italy,the Benelux states,Austria.
What does the malaysians expect then?
And just to remind you ALL,there are restrictions for YEARS in the EU even against the citizens of newly joined countries to get a work permit in western Europe.
So,even me a citizen of the European Union with JAA ATPL and rating cant have any kind of job in UK,Scandinavia,France ,Germany,Italy,the Benelux states,Austria.
What does the malaysians expect then?
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
which malaysian want to pay 40% of tax in Europe?
Nonetheless, airfares sold by European and Malaysian airlines are fairly much the same price - so why aren't pilots' salaries?!
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wizofoz,
basically we all human have the right to stay and live where we wanted, but the country where we like to stay have rule to protect their locals that's why some rule are like's chicken and egg, they ask you to have work permit to get a job or if you found the the job they ask you to have stay permit, then so on in order to have stay permit you must have a job, you know the old classic song of refussing foreigner but if the country really want you the will support you to have all the necessary document with no other reason and this support I call it a chance and that kind you only found in Asian country.
Deske1
what we expect or we as Asian expect is please you answer Joe_bar I think you the one can do that EU people to EU people
basically we all human have the right to stay and live where we wanted, but the country where we like to stay have rule to protect their locals that's why some rule are like's chicken and egg, they ask you to have work permit to get a job or if you found the the job they ask you to have stay permit, then so on in order to have stay permit you must have a job, you know the old classic song of refussing foreigner but if the country really want you the will support you to have all the necessary document with no other reason and this support I call it a chance and that kind you only found in Asian country.Deske1
what we expect or we as Asian expect is please you answer Joe_bar I think you the one can do that EU people to EU people
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I think Joe_Bar has already had his answer Speedwoten, don't you?
If you arrive in Europe with the right of abode and are suitably qualified for the job in question you chances are equal and the law will protect you if you think you have been discriminated against. At the moment Europe doesn't need to offer any incentive to encourage anyone, European or Asian, to come and fill their job market as there is already a whole lot of qualified talent available.
Singapore Airlines, amongst others, due to rapid expansion and a lack of suitably experienced local talent, have offered jobs, (but not careers), to expats on expat contract terms and conditions to fill the experience gap, nothing else. The fact that they offer conversion to suitably experienced people simply goes to reinforce the fact that they don't, at the moment, have a sufficient continuous supple of suitably experienced local pilots.
Suggesting that Asia is more generous towards Europeans than Europe is towards Asians is totally disingenuous, if and when the pendulum swings to the opposite side the situation will be reversed. Let us all avoid making comments that have a sniff of racism about them please.
If you arrive in Europe with the right of abode and are suitably qualified for the job in question you chances are equal and the law will protect you if you think you have been discriminated against. At the moment Europe doesn't need to offer any incentive to encourage anyone, European or Asian, to come and fill their job market as there is already a whole lot of qualified talent available.
Singapore Airlines, amongst others, due to rapid expansion and a lack of suitably experienced local talent, have offered jobs, (but not careers), to expats on expat contract terms and conditions to fill the experience gap, nothing else. The fact that they offer conversion to suitably experienced people simply goes to reinforce the fact that they don't, at the moment, have a sufficient continuous supple of suitably experienced local pilots.
Suggesting that Asia is more generous towards Europeans than Europe is towards Asians is totally disingenuous, if and when the pendulum swings to the opposite side the situation will be reversed. Let us all avoid making comments that have a sniff of racism about them please.
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Palmer:
Come on now. That statement, though I note you claim, was not meant to offend, IS VERY OFFENSIVE. You just grouped all Malaysians (pilots) in one large ditch and threw a whole pile of crap down our way. Now I have worked with many expats who used to look down on us not so "English" locals. That stance left them sooner than later. Many Malaysian (Especially MAS cadets) pilots are a breed of high achievers, not just in the brains department. We were taken in just after our SPM( thats what most others would call O'levels). Most were sent to AST, several schools in Oz and some to Melaka ( MFA).
Then we got into one of the best training outfits in the world (MAS). Oh yes they dont have the flash cars to pick U up or the nicely decored buildings, but if you are any authority in the international aviation industry , you would know that. Then nearly immediately we are exposed to the big jets and the whole world. The pilots in MAS , trained BY MAS are amongst the best in the world. You got a comment about MFA, please direct it to that institution not all Malaysians. And mind you, the standards of cadets who were trained in MFA nearly always were better than the others.
Joe, Getting a job in Malaysia Or Asia is just as easy as getting one anywhere when you meet the requirements of your prospective employer. All the best.
I think the answer to that lies in the (lack of) ability of Malaysians, trained by MFA with the lowest standards, no procedures and absolutely no knowledge.
Then we got into one of the best training outfits in the world (MAS). Oh yes they dont have the flash cars to pick U up or the nicely decored buildings, but if you are any authority in the international aviation industry , you would know that. Then nearly immediately we are exposed to the big jets and the whole world. The pilots in MAS , trained BY MAS are amongst the best in the world. You got a comment about MFA, please direct it to that institution not all Malaysians. And mind you, the standards of cadets who were trained in MFA nearly always were better than the others.
Joe, Getting a job in Malaysia Or Asia is just as easy as getting one anywhere when you meet the requirements of your prospective employer. All the best.
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to work for Air france you have to speak french not normal conversation but like a french guy would do..
that means you have to grow up in the country whatever your origins....same case for Germany or Spain.
that's a fine way to protect locals!!
that means you have to grow up in the country whatever your origins....same case for Germany or Spain.
that's a fine way to protect locals!!
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Brianigham:
I'm sorry I got it wrong. Now that you have refreshed my memory I clearly remember how the worldwide aviation community has nothing but praises for malaysian pilots, especially the insurance companies.
Buddyboy, I have worked in your country and seen (lack of) standards nobody in the civilized world would even believe.
"trained by MAS are amongst the best in the world"
Haha.... good one, thats not what the TRI's and TRE's say, in fact it's the opposite.
DCA and MOT do their best to keep the standards at the lowest possible level. Well aided by the indian expats at MFA.
EU countries would happily employ any pilot with work permit and a sufficient level of skills, you have neither! Why do you think expats are employed in your country?? Because the government prefers expats over bumi's???
I'm sorry I got it wrong. Now that you have refreshed my memory I clearly remember how the worldwide aviation community has nothing but praises for malaysian pilots, especially the insurance companies.
Buddyboy, I have worked in your country and seen (lack of) standards nobody in the civilized world would even believe.
"trained by MAS are amongst the best in the world"
Haha.... good one, thats not what the TRI's and TRE's say, in fact it's the opposite.
DCA and MOT do their best to keep the standards at the lowest possible level. Well aided by the indian expats at MFA.
EU countries would happily employ any pilot with work permit and a sufficient level of skills, you have neither! Why do you think expats are employed in your country?? Because the government prefers expats over bumi's???
Hmmmm,
I think more likely Malaysia has pilot shortage, One thing is for sure Once there is enough local pilot's Me personally think's less expats. Its seems a repetitive cycle. But thats my point of view only.
mai soon Khup.
I think more likely Malaysia has pilot shortage, One thing is for sure Once there is enough local pilot's Me personally think's less expats. Its seems a repetitive cycle. But thats my point of view only.
mai soon Khup.