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Deske1
That is the going rate around here for the B744. It is reducable daily. Eva (Evergreen) for example have, if memory serves, 50K for 5 years, reducing after 2 years.
I wouldn't see it as a trap. But expect to sign it and send it to CAL before starting your training. Some have bolted from here without paying the bond. Not sure CAL are able to chase payment in many countries.
It is an expensive endorsement that other country authorities will not transfer onto your FAA, JAA license etc. I am not able to put my CAL endorsement onto my original license. The ROC is not part of ICAO which seems to be the dampener.
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That is the going rate around here for the B744. It is reducable daily. Eva (Evergreen) for example have, if memory serves, 50K for 5 years, reducing after 2 years.
I wouldn't see it as a trap. But expect to sign it and send it to CAL before starting your training. Some have bolted from here without paying the bond. Not sure CAL are able to chase payment in many countries.
It is an expensive endorsement that other country authorities will not transfer onto your FAA, JAA license etc. I am not able to put my CAL endorsement onto my original license. The ROC is not part of ICAO which seems to be the dampener.
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Yes I know.I was surprised only about reading huge bonds at CAL.That was the only reason to ask,cause pesonally I dont find it so huge.
I also find disgusting sign a contract(bond),then escaping cause they (CAL) cant chase you.
doing this,always results tough times for those are playing fair.
I also find disgusting sign a contract(bond),then escaping cause they (CAL) cant chase you.
doing this,always results tough times for those are playing fair.
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Playing fair has different meanings to different people.
Expats see it as a two way street. And so it should be. Asian companies see it differently. I have worked for three now and they ALL believed the contract as something for the expat to stick to while they changed it to suit themselves.
And they will continue to do so.
It is almost like bartering with a street vendor, many twists and turns, and like a street vendor very hard to beat.
I like people to know what they are getting in to before they come. many of my expat co pilots tell me their story of how things changed after they got here and of what was "said " during the interview process.
I don't think bonds will change after the agreement has been signed but I have heard of them changed with negotiation.
It doesn't matter to me because I came in as a captain and will only have another contract before I retire ( maybe another) but, if you have any worries, get them to write them in on the contract.
Personally, I think it isn't right to first sign a training agreement and then be presented with a contract that you may or may not like.
But, as I said before, putting all the cards on the table is not the " Asian " way.
No, I'm not rasist, I am sleeping with one at present.
Expats see it as a two way street. And so it should be. Asian companies see it differently. I have worked for three now and they ALL believed the contract as something for the expat to stick to while they changed it to suit themselves.
And they will continue to do so.
It is almost like bartering with a street vendor, many twists and turns, and like a street vendor very hard to beat.
I like people to know what they are getting in to before they come. many of my expat co pilots tell me their story of how things changed after they got here and of what was "said " during the interview process.
I don't think bonds will change after the agreement has been signed but I have heard of them changed with negotiation.
It doesn't matter to me because I came in as a captain and will only have another contract before I retire ( maybe another) but, if you have any worries, get them to write them in on the contract.
Personally, I think it isn't right to first sign a training agreement and then be presented with a contract that you may or may not like.
But, as I said before, putting all the cards on the table is not the " Asian " way.
No, I'm not rasist, I am sleeping with one at present.
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Why are you going to the the 747 (the most soul destroying fleet in CAL) ?? I would strongly suggest that you push for a 737-8 slot. No bond and much better lifestyle. You can be promoted to the 747/340 later with no bond.
The bond is a curious thing at CAL. 777 pilots who join and are trained on the 747 are required to give a bank guarantee (around USD 15K). A330 F/Os who joined (before we had 330s) were trained on the 340 and have NO BOND! A320 Captains joined, did the exact same course as the 330 F/Os, were made relief pilots (for life) and were bonded for USD25K!!!! Go figure??
I have heard some good news from the Airbus camp. One of the expat F/Os has been playing his musical instrument at the C.Ps social occassions. This, according to the Chief Pilot, makes him a suitable commander and therefore he will be upgraded to Captain shortly. I believe he has around 3000hrs total time. Not bad to be in charge of a A340 into a NYC blizzard with that little experience.
Why are you going to the the 747 (the most soul destroying fleet in CAL) ?? I would strongly suggest that you push for a 737-8 slot. No bond and much better lifestyle. You can be promoted to the 747/340 later with no bond.
The bond is a curious thing at CAL. 777 pilots who join and are trained on the 747 are required to give a bank guarantee (around USD 15K). A330 F/Os who joined (before we had 330s) were trained on the 340 and have NO BOND! A320 Captains joined, did the exact same course as the 330 F/Os, were made relief pilots (for life) and were bonded for USD25K!!!! Go figure??
I have heard some good news from the Airbus camp. One of the expat F/Os has been playing his musical instrument at the C.Ps social occassions. This, according to the Chief Pilot, makes him a suitable commander and therefore he will be upgraded to Captain shortly. I believe he has around 3000hrs total time. Not bad to be in charge of a A340 into a NYC blizzard with that little experience.
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Hey Gents
You have all lost it.
Taiwanese girls are great the japs inhabited the country for years, they are a beautiful mix between jap and china girls, after all what did you start flying for to begin with?
Konpaii
You have all lost it.
Taiwanese girls are great the japs inhabited the country for years, they are a beautiful mix between jap and china girls, after all what did you start flying for to begin with?
Konpaii
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E.P
I'm really keen on joining CAL but trying to get through to the recruitment bods is tough going. Applied on-line but heard nothing further. Whats the realistic rminimums required? Is there any other way of getting noticed by the personnel department ?
All help is welcome E.P
Thanks
I'm really keen on joining CAL but trying to get through to the recruitment bods is tough going. Applied on-line but heard nothing further. Whats the realistic rminimums required? Is there any other way of getting noticed by the personnel department ?
All help is welcome E.P
Thanks
