Tiger Airways A320 Pilot Recruitment
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Tiger Airways A320 Pilot Recruitment
Does anybody have any information on the Pilot Recruitment at Tiger Airways? They are advertising for A320 Captains and First Officers with its first new hire class starting sometime in June.
However, I have heard through the grape wine that its Chief Pilot, Capt. Mike Watt, has advised others that they are already pretty far down on the short list but we have been unable to find anyone that has been interviewed.
Also, some of the phone numbers for Tiger Airways are answered as SIA Cabin Crew, etc.
Anyone with any informtaion on Tiger Airways Pilot Recruitment, please, advise... thank you in advance.
However, I have heard through the grape wine that its Chief Pilot, Capt. Mike Watt, has advised others that they are already pretty far down on the short list but we have been unable to find anyone that has been interviewed.
Also, some of the phone numbers for Tiger Airways are answered as SIA Cabin Crew, etc.
Anyone with any informtaion on Tiger Airways Pilot Recruitment, please, advise... thank you in advance.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
From Tiger Airways website, comes the following [my highlighting]:-
Working for our Passengers
We know that for Tiger Airways to be successful we need to do two things better than our competition.
The first is to meet or exceed our Stakeholder's expectations of their relationship with Tiger Airways. Our stakeholders include our shareholders, staff, customers, contractors, suppliers, regulators.
The second is to be continually looking for value for money in all that we do so that we pass on the benefits to our passengers through low fares. We need to work smart to establish and maintain this as a competitive advantage.
If you decide to progress your interest in us, you'll be taking steps to join a company that is at the cutting edge of the future of short-haul flying in the Region.
Our strategy is simple. Be good enough every day to innovate our way ahead of the competition, and be good enough to stay there. Not everyone will want to do this. What about you?
Your Working Day
Flights will initially operate from Singapore's Changi International Airport Terminal 1. A dedicated low cost carrier terminal will be built.
Your working day will involve a morning shift or an afternoon shift. At this stage, we have no plans for night flying or night stops.
The flying pattern will be 5 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on 3 days off. This will involve around 5 hours flying time and will be either 2 or 4 sectors with short turnarounds.
Your aircraft will have refrigeration facilities for crewmembers to bring the food and drinks that they would like to have on board. If you wish, you may also purchase items from the aircraft shop. We have all experienced the waste that happens when crew food is supplied by the company. By eliminating this waste, we are able to pass the savings on to our customers.
[...that should save AT LEAST $5 per pilot....$10 divided by 160 pax = .0625 of a cent per passenger!]
The uniform will be simple, and there will be no jackets and no hats (think of the extra space in the flight bag!)
[I thought hats were worn on HEADS]
To encourage crewmembers to take care of their uniform, crew will have a small deduction, over three months, from their salary as a contribution towards the cost of providing the uniform....I wonder if management are going to be asked to pay for their desks, chairs, stationery, etc? In fact, many of us would be happy to not have to wear a monkey suit at all - it's THE COMPANY who DEMANDS we do, so how about making uniforms an option? Also, if I am paying for it, then I will let the tailor know whether I wants cuffs or not, baggy, or ball-hugging tight pants, button down collars or not on my shirt, an extra pleat in the back....]
Two weeks leave a year can be bid for. [but not necessarily awarded!!]
Leave beyond that will be assigned to manage FTLs.
Your Initial Contract
Before commencing employment, you will receive for your signature [huh???], your contract and specific terms and conditions. Your initial contract will be for three years, renewable by mutual agreement.
The remuneration under the contract will become available once pilots are the holders of a Singaporean Professional Flight Crew Licence, endorsed with an A320 family rating and an Instrument Rating. [so NO SALARY during initial ground school and simulator training....best of luck surviving, chappies]
To keep administration costs to a minimum, our approach is that we simply provide you with a monthly salary and leave it to you to decide what expenses are appropriate to your circumstances. For example, you can choose what family medical insurance and retirement planning will suit you best. [...whether or not you pay TAX (about 22% flat)]
All pilots, Singaporean and Non-Singaporean alike, will be recruited and remunerated on the same basis:
All will be paid a fixed daily rate and a per sector rate.
As we firm up our crew operating patterns nearer to the launch date, the exact breakdown of remuneration will be known, but will be approximately:
For Captains
in the range
S$ 14 -16,000 per month [Yes, that's $14]
For First Officers
in the range
S$ 9 -11,000 per month [..and $9]
With such a simple contract, we intend to talk to you and your colleagues directly about all your welfare issues. Of course, you remain free to join any professional body of your choice.
You may like to know that there will be no seniority system. Pilots will be assessed on their merit and access to other opportunities will come as a result. All training will be to competence, and this will be measured in ways beyond just "stick and rudder" skills. [eg. brown-nosing]Trainers will be drawn from our pilot community because of their teaching ability and their commitment to your success
Your Basic Qualifications:
Applicants should be Singaporean citizens, or who have PR status, who are the holders of a Singaporean ATPL endorsed for the A320 family.
However, applicants who do not meet these criterion but who are otherwise suitable will be given assistance with obtaining an Employment Pass and in meeting the costs of conversion of their flight crew licence.
Assistance will be available to help selected applicants meet the costs of type conversion
Your Experience:
MINIMUM EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOLDERS OF SINGAPOREAN PROFESSIONAL LICENSES
Captains
Eight Years experience in the capacity of a pilot
Holder of a Singaporean ATPL
4000 hours (P1, P1u/s, P2 hours only) on aircraft > 5700kgs
1000 hours in command on international airline aircraft >20,000 kg
500 hours command time on A320 aircraft
Note: Exceptional First Officers will be considered for direct entry upgrade training if they have:
4000 hours (P1, P1u/s, P2 hours only) on aircraft > 5700kgs
3000 hours in command on international airline aircraft >20,000 kg
First Officers
Holder of a Singaporean ATPL
1500 hours total time (or three years as F/O on international airline aircraft >20,000kg)
700 hours P1
CAAS REQUIREMENTS FOR PILOTS REQUIRING LICENSE / TYPE CONVERSION
Captains
Must be the holder of:
Current ICAO ATPL with at least three months remaining validity
Current Base Check and Instrument Rating (JAA LPC) with at least three months remaining validity
Current Class One Medical
If Type Rated:
5,000 hours total time
1,500 hours PIC of aircraft >20,000kgs on international scheduled routes with an established airline, or acceptable public transport operation.
500 hours PIC on type
If Not Type Rated:
5,000 hours total time
3,000 hours PIC of aircraft >20,000kgs, on international scheduled routes with an established airline, or acceptable public transport operation.
All experience must be certified by previous employers
First Officers
Must be the holder of
Current ICAO ATPL with at least three months remaining validity
Current Base Check and Instrument Rating (JAA LPC) with at least three months remaining validity
Current Class One Medical
1,500 hours total time
700 hours PIC,
or,
Have at least 3 years experience as a First Officer on aircraft >20,000kgs on international scheduled routes with an established airline, or other acceptable public transport operation.
All experience must be certified by previous employers.
Well you've been warned what to expect if you apply for this one.
IMO it will fit the Asian and East European psyche, better than it will those of Western democratic countries - unless you're into the S&M thing!
Working for our Passengers
We know that for Tiger Airways to be successful we need to do two things better than our competition.
The first is to meet or exceed our Stakeholder's expectations of their relationship with Tiger Airways. Our stakeholders include our shareholders, staff, customers, contractors, suppliers, regulators.
The second is to be continually looking for value for money in all that we do so that we pass on the benefits to our passengers through low fares. We need to work smart to establish and maintain this as a competitive advantage.
If you decide to progress your interest in us, you'll be taking steps to join a company that is at the cutting edge of the future of short-haul flying in the Region.
Our strategy is simple. Be good enough every day to innovate our way ahead of the competition, and be good enough to stay there. Not everyone will want to do this. What about you?
Your Working Day
Flights will initially operate from Singapore's Changi International Airport Terminal 1. A dedicated low cost carrier terminal will be built.
Your working day will involve a morning shift or an afternoon shift. At this stage, we have no plans for night flying or night stops.
The flying pattern will be 5 days on, 2 days off, 5 days on 3 days off. This will involve around 5 hours flying time and will be either 2 or 4 sectors with short turnarounds.
Your aircraft will have refrigeration facilities for crewmembers to bring the food and drinks that they would like to have on board. If you wish, you may also purchase items from the aircraft shop. We have all experienced the waste that happens when crew food is supplied by the company. By eliminating this waste, we are able to pass the savings on to our customers.
[...that should save AT LEAST $5 per pilot....$10 divided by 160 pax = .0625 of a cent per passenger!]The uniform will be simple, and there will be no jackets and no hats (think of the extra space in the flight bag!)
[I thought hats were worn on HEADS] To encourage crewmembers to take care of their uniform, crew will have a small deduction, over three months, from their salary as a contribution towards the cost of providing the uniform....I wonder if management are going to be asked to pay for their desks, chairs, stationery, etc? In fact, many of us would be happy to not have to wear a monkey suit at all - it's THE COMPANY who DEMANDS we do, so how about making uniforms an option? Also, if I am paying for it, then I will let the tailor know whether I wants cuffs or not, baggy, or ball-hugging tight pants, button down collars or not on my shirt, an extra pleat in the back....]
Two weeks leave a year can be bid for. [but not necessarily awarded!!]
Leave beyond that will be assigned to manage FTLs.
Your Initial Contract
Before commencing employment, you will receive for your signature [huh???], your contract and specific terms and conditions. Your initial contract will be for three years, renewable by mutual agreement.
The remuneration under the contract will become available once pilots are the holders of a Singaporean Professional Flight Crew Licence, endorsed with an A320 family rating and an Instrument Rating. [so NO SALARY during initial ground school and simulator training....best of luck surviving, chappies]
To keep administration costs to a minimum, our approach is that we simply provide you with a monthly salary and leave it to you to decide what expenses are appropriate to your circumstances. For example, you can choose what family medical insurance and retirement planning will suit you best. [...whether or not you pay TAX (about 22% flat)]
All pilots, Singaporean and Non-Singaporean alike, will be recruited and remunerated on the same basis:
All will be paid a fixed daily rate and a per sector rate.
As we firm up our crew operating patterns nearer to the launch date, the exact breakdown of remuneration will be known, but will be approximately:
For Captains
in the range
S$ 14 -16,000 per month [Yes, that's $14]
For First Officers
in the range
S$ 9 -11,000 per month [..and $9]
With such a simple contract, we intend to talk to you and your colleagues directly about all your welfare issues.
Of course, you remain free to join any professional body of your choice.You may like to know that there will be no seniority system. Pilots will be assessed on their merit and access to other opportunities will come as a result. All training will be to competence, and this will be measured in ways beyond just "stick and rudder" skills. [eg. brown-nosing]Trainers will be drawn from our pilot community because of their teaching ability and their commitment to your success
Your Basic Qualifications:
Applicants should be Singaporean citizens, or who have PR status, who are the holders of a Singaporean ATPL endorsed for the A320 family.
However, applicants who do not meet these criterion but who are otherwise suitable will be given assistance with obtaining an Employment Pass and in meeting the costs of conversion of their flight crew licence.
Assistance will be available to help selected applicants meet the costs of type conversion
Your Experience:
MINIMUM EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOLDERS OF SINGAPOREAN PROFESSIONAL LICENSES
Captains
Eight Years experience in the capacity of a pilot
Holder of a Singaporean ATPL
4000 hours (P1, P1u/s, P2 hours only) on aircraft > 5700kgs
1000 hours in command on international airline aircraft >20,000 kg
500 hours command time on A320 aircraft
Note: Exceptional First Officers will be considered for direct entry upgrade training if they have:
4000 hours (P1, P1u/s, P2 hours only) on aircraft > 5700kgs
3000 hours in command on international airline aircraft >20,000 kg
First Officers
Holder of a Singaporean ATPL
1500 hours total time (or three years as F/O on international airline aircraft >20,000kg)
700 hours P1
CAAS REQUIREMENTS FOR PILOTS REQUIRING LICENSE / TYPE CONVERSION
Captains
Must be the holder of:
Current ICAO ATPL with at least three months remaining validity
Current Base Check and Instrument Rating (JAA LPC) with at least three months remaining validity
Current Class One Medical
If Type Rated:
5,000 hours total time
1,500 hours PIC of aircraft >20,000kgs on international scheduled routes with an established airline, or acceptable public transport operation.
500 hours PIC on type
If Not Type Rated:
5,000 hours total time
3,000 hours PIC of aircraft >20,000kgs, on international scheduled routes with an established airline, or acceptable public transport operation.
All experience must be certified by previous employers
First Officers
Must be the holder of
Current ICAO ATPL with at least three months remaining validity
Current Base Check and Instrument Rating (JAA LPC) with at least three months remaining validity
Current Class One Medical
1,500 hours total time
700 hours PIC,
or,
Have at least 3 years experience as a First Officer on aircraft >20,000kgs on international scheduled routes with an established airline, or other acceptable public transport operation.
All experience must be certified by previous employers.
Well you've been warned what to expect if you apply for this one.
IMO it will fit the Asian and East European psyche, better than it will those of Western democratic countries - unless you're into the S&M thing!
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Why is it always necessary to point out that as soon as we speak about low remuneration, it is "only suitable for East Europeans"?
East Europeans like to make big money as much as you do Kaptin M, the fact is that there are fewer and fewer East Europeans willing to fly for low salaries. They are far better off back in Europe or the Middle East working for established airlines, decent earnings and sharpening their skills and knowledge in the busy and ever demanding European airspace.
Only guys out of jobs for years might show up, get a rating and fly away for bigger bucks. Cheers.
East Europeans like to make big money as much as you do Kaptin M, the fact is that there are fewer and fewer East Europeans willing to fly for low salaries. They are far better off back in Europe or the Middle East working for established airlines, decent earnings and sharpening their skills and knowledge in the busy and ever demanding European airspace.
Only guys out of jobs for years might show up, get a rating and fly away for bigger bucks. Cheers.
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If you care to read the Kaptin's post carefully before jumping on your high horse Soft Altitude, you'll see that he makes no mention of salary when talking of East Europeans, but psyche, and unless you've worked in the regions mentioned, you'll probably know nothing of what he means.
This contract takes spin to a whole new level. We've gone from creative accounting to creative legalese.
This contract takes spin to a whole new level. We've gone from creative accounting to creative legalese.
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Knackered II, since you seem to be pretty switched on the subject, would you please care to enlighten me, especially on the Eastern European psyche that you seem to understand so well, since we are obviously not talking working conditions and remuneration here !
And yes, I am working in the region and how about you ask yourself couple questions !
Rdr, yes, he might get some surprises in the process.
Cheers
And yes, I am working in the region and how about you ask yourself couple questions !
Rdr, yes, he might get some surprises in the process.
Cheers
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I'm all ears , SA, since you're flying in Eastern Europe, as you say, please enlighten me on what I'm missing - since you fail to make mention of the fact that you've already jumped to conclusions with regard to the Kaptin's post, more like you're simply slagging off at other's posts, along with rdr who has even less to add.
I fail to see how your comments add anything to the conversation. The Kaptin made some very valid points about the state of contracts in Asia and you have no comment - I guess that's because you're in East Europe eh?
Actually, if, as I suspect, you're a 320 driver in Asia then that would put you in the employ of one of the companies which offer similar terms to that described above, which would explain your reluctance to criticize those same terms.
I am keen to hear of your own experiences with the employers in your area, be it Asia or East Europe and am standing ready to be enlightened. Seriously!
I fail to see how your comments add anything to the conversation. The Kaptin made some very valid points about the state of contracts in Asia and you have no comment - I guess that's because you're in East Europe eh?
Actually, if, as I suspect, you're a 320 driver in Asia then that would put you in the employ of one of the companies which offer similar terms to that described above, which would explain your reluctance to criticize those same terms.
I am keen to hear of your own experiences with the employers in your area, be it Asia or East Europe and am standing ready to be enlightened. Seriously!
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Any one needs private tuition on A320 / A340. Complete systems & performance. Pls contact me: [email protected]
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Knackered II, you are getting p
d off for no reason, which is probably again my mistake, since I failed to make it clear in my first reply. I agree 100% with the points mentioned by Kaptin, the thing that I deplore is the link made between very poor contracts indeed and whatever national psyche. For your info, I am leaving S-E Asia precisely because some airlines here have no limits in pilot humiliation, and overall efforts to devaluate the pilot’s profession. While this is beneficial to some brown noses and invertebrates, it is irritating for most of the others and bearing in mind that there will always be blokes who will accept such conditions (and believe me fewer and fewer eastern Europeans) and do the same job for less, there is unfortunately really not much the rest of the pilot population can do about it, may be just ignore the “offer”.
Luckily, not all the contracts are that bad in the region and I frankly wonder how can an airline come up with such an offer and expect to get the right people for the job especially with this oncoming pilot shortage, but that’s their problem. In the mean time, please put aside any national intolerance, it has nothing to do here, it has much more to do with one’s values and principles me thinks.
d off for no reason, which is probably again my mistake, since I failed to make it clear in my first reply. I agree 100% with the points mentioned by Kaptin, the thing that I deplore is the link made between very poor contracts indeed and whatever national psyche. For your info, I am leaving S-E Asia precisely because some airlines here have no limits in pilot humiliation, and overall efforts to devaluate the pilot’s profession. While this is beneficial to some brown noses and invertebrates, it is irritating for most of the others and bearing in mind that there will always be blokes who will accept such conditions (and believe me fewer and fewer eastern Europeans) and do the same job for less, there is unfortunately really not much the rest of the pilot population can do about it, may be just ignore the “offer”.Luckily, not all the contracts are that bad in the region and I frankly wonder how can an airline come up with such an offer and expect to get the right people for the job especially with this oncoming pilot shortage, but that’s their problem. In the mean time, please put aside any national intolerance, it has nothing to do here, it has much more to do with one’s values and principles me thinks.
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Spot on SA, me too left S E Asia last year for precisely the same reason. However it is also plain to see the up and coming challenges to aviation globally, especially to the profession.
To survive in one piece, you gotta be plum positive. There's little room for "the we do it better than you crap"
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To survive in one piece, you gotta be plum positive. There's little room for "the we do it better than you crap"
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Seems we're arguing about nothing then! I think the point that the Kaptin was trying to make was basically that the employers in that part of the world get away with conditions of service like those of Tiger because the employees allow them to. That's what he meant by 'psyche'. It's something I always found intriguing but knowing and having worked with many people in Singapore, I personally think it comes from a sense of helplessness. Just look what the government has done to the Opposition. Unfortunately, it's a chicken and egg situation.
There is a certain arrogance demonstrated by companies publishing conditions of service like those of Tiger, fuelled by years of a ready supply of pilots, but I personally feel those days are coming to an end (high fuel prices notwithstanding) and the opportunity for motivated pilots to move on to better run companies is not far away.
Good luck.
There is a certain arrogance demonstrated by companies publishing conditions of service like those of Tiger, fuelled by years of a ready supply of pilots, but I personally feel those days are coming to an end (high fuel prices notwithstanding) and the opportunity for motivated pilots to move on to better run companies is not far away.
Good luck.
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Ok then, sorted ! The sand is definitely getting greener on the other side 
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Keep up the good spirit
Cheers
"Cleared to DXB, Pee Mock one alpha departure, 02R, NO pdc FL 280, squawk 0330"
Keep up the good spirit
Cheers
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ok, back to top 
Anybody got invited or joined Tiger already?
I understand clearly of what Kaptin M explained, great post
But I would like to hear from those who got in....or nobody got in there yet???
Thanks
FC
Anybody got invited or joined Tiger already?
I understand clearly of what Kaptin M explained, great post
But I would like to hear from those who got in....or nobody got in there yet???
Thanks
FC
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As of last week, the grand total of pilots was a big zero! Strange when you consider the wonderful package - I personally think the idea of paying for your own uniform is a marvellous innovation, and the customers will sure appreciate the savings that can be passed on to them from that and from starving the pilots.
With the first aircraft arriving shortly, the airline had to resort to "borrowing" a couple of previously rated 320 drivers from SQ to get the show up and running.
With the first aircraft arriving shortly, the airline had to resort to "borrowing" a couple of previously rated 320 drivers from SQ to get the show up and running.
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Sure thing
Everyone pls try,
TIGER is a sure thing. even 200hr ATPL frozen can join...
Free training provided.. Job assured for 5 years due BOND.
The more the merrier. Just don't expect to get paid much.
Look on the bright side.. at least now someone is
closer to getting a SPG as sideshow.
FUBAR
TIGER is a sure thing. even 200hr ATPL frozen can join...
Free training provided.. Job assured for 5 years due BOND.
The more the merrier. Just don't expect to get paid much.
Look on the bright side.. at least now someone is
closer to getting a SPG as sideshow.
FUBAR
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GSS
Heard, TIGER was involved in the recent
GSS ( great singapore sale ).
All the discounts given were, in the form of third-world wages.
Don't fret, "buy one get one free"
i.e: Get the job and a whole bag of worms for free.
Looks on the bright side: " you're here because
there is nowhere else to go"
GSS ( great singapore sale ).
All the discounts given were, in the form of third-world wages.
Don't fret, "buy one get one free"
i.e: Get the job and a whole bag of worms for free.
Looks on the bright side: " you're here because
there is nowhere else to go"