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Quote:>>>Time will show if the Senior Minister judges correctly on this one.<<<
The ex-PM lee kuan yew, now SM lee has never been corrrect, he has made screw ups after screw ups, to give you a few examples:
1) the stop-at two policy
2) graduate-mother scheme
3) Social Development Unit, a matchmaking agency to get graduates to marry
4) the Shuzou project
From Nos 1-3, he has failed to correct the declining birth rates among Singaporeans, in fact he couldn't even convince his daughter to get married and reproduce! (or even to reproduce some bastards by not getting married).
No.4 is his biggest boo-boo!
The SM lee is way way past his time. He must get lost.
Quote:>>>Time will show if the Senior Minister judges correctly on this one.<<<
The ex-PM lee kuan yew, now SM lee has never been corrrect, he has made screw ups after screw ups, to give you a few examples:
1) the stop-at two policy
2) graduate-mother scheme
3) Social Development Unit, a matchmaking agency to get graduates to marry
4) the Shuzou project
From Nos 1-3, he has failed to correct the declining birth rates among Singaporeans, in fact he couldn't even convince his daughter to get married and reproduce! (or even to reproduce some bastards by not getting married).
No.4 is his biggest boo-boo!
The SM lee is way way past his time. He must get lost.
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what pressure
Boo hoo,
Lucky this time it was a verbal reprimand..
next time it will be a "warm" kick in the butt for every
dumb-ass who is, brave enough to GROW a BRAIN.
TOW THE LINE OR BUZZ OFF GUYS...
this RICE_BOWL is too salty for some.
Lucky this time it was a verbal reprimand..
next time it will be a "warm" kick in the butt for every
dumb-ass who is, brave enough to GROW a BRAIN.
TOW THE LINE OR BUZZ OFF GUYS...
this RICE_BOWL is too salty for some.
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Todayonline, Singapore, 02.03.04
SIA offers its side of the story
But it remains silent on pilots' biggest bugbear
Derrick A Paulo
[email protected]
Singapore Airlines yesterday finally broke its silence on its troubled labour-management relations that have, since last November, been the subject of much public scrutiny.
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In what is likely to be its only public statement on the matter, SIA offered its response to some of the issues raised by the Airline Pilots Association (Singapore) (Alpa-S) and feedback from three of its other unions, all of which belong to the National Trades Union Congress.
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The airline stood firm on old issues such as its stand on the Sars-related pay cuts, while on more recent issues such as poor internal communications, it said it would make some changes.
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But on the pilots' biggest bugbear — the overseas-based pilots scheme, which Alpa-S said was inefficient and gave the plum routes to their overseas counterparts while leaving the scraps for them — the SIA management remained silent.
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Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew, in his meeting with the pilots' union last week, promised to look into this bugbear.
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"If all this is true, then the flight operations must be blind or stupid! ... I want an explanation from them because I cannot believe this," he was reported to have said.
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That explanation was not included in SIA's 12-page media release yesterday. It said it would serve no useful purpose to address each point in detail as it had already done so with the unions and all parties had agreed to move on.
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SIA met with Alpa-S on Feb 17 and with all its five unions two days later.
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What it did explain was that, as a global company, it could not furlough foreign-based pilots first, as Alpa-S had requested when Sars struck, as it would be unfair to the overseas-based pilots, who had accepted the same pay cuts as locally-based pilots had.
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The company also disputed the union's claim that senior executives and directors were given preference on business class over fee-paying passengers.
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It denied that the number of managers and executives had "ballooned" in recent years, citing a study done by a consultancy firm that indicated there was a lack of administrative support for the pilots.
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The airline was more conciliatory in its response to feedback from other SIA unions, such as its "double standards" in acting quickly only when it suited management. It conceded that it needed to react to the weaker Singapore dollar and promised to review the meal allowances paid to crew while overseas.
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On the charge that middle managers pass the buck to the top, SIA admitted that "not all middle managers are best communicators" and promised to address this problem and to be "more sensitive to the needs of subordinate staff".
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In the works will be more information sharing on the company's financial performance, seminars, retreats, social get-togethers as the carrier acts to boost low morale and improve on communication channels.
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But the airline said there could be no compromise on safety. And it argued that it should be able to offer higher starting salaries than stated in the collective agreements in order to attract the best talent.
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Included in its media release was chief executive officer Chew Choon Seng's open letter to staff in which he said he was "perturbed" by the "insinuation" by Alpa-S that the SIA management was trying to enrich itself at the expense of the staff when it lifted the cap on stock options at the height of the Sars outbreak.
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In practice, nobody had been awarded more than the previous cap, he said. The number of options awarded in July last year also dropped to seven million from 7.6 million in 2002.
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Reminding staff that senior management had taken pay cuts of 16.5 per cent to 20 per cent, Mr Chew said the company had an "excellent chance" to hit its $600 million profit target by the end of this month.
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"This means that all our staff will receive a lump-sum bonus equal not just to the wages that they have sacrificed, but 15 per cent more," he said.
SIA offers its side of the story
But it remains silent on pilots' biggest bugbear
Derrick A Paulo
[email protected]
Singapore Airlines yesterday finally broke its silence on its troubled labour-management relations that have, since last November, been the subject of much public scrutiny.
.
In what is likely to be its only public statement on the matter, SIA offered its response to some of the issues raised by the Airline Pilots Association (Singapore) (Alpa-S) and feedback from three of its other unions, all of which belong to the National Trades Union Congress.
.
The airline stood firm on old issues such as its stand on the Sars-related pay cuts, while on more recent issues such as poor internal communications, it said it would make some changes.
.
But on the pilots' biggest bugbear — the overseas-based pilots scheme, which Alpa-S said was inefficient and gave the plum routes to their overseas counterparts while leaving the scraps for them — the SIA management remained silent.
.
Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew, in his meeting with the pilots' union last week, promised to look into this bugbear.
.
"If all this is true, then the flight operations must be blind or stupid! ... I want an explanation from them because I cannot believe this," he was reported to have said.
.
That explanation was not included in SIA's 12-page media release yesterday. It said it would serve no useful purpose to address each point in detail as it had already done so with the unions and all parties had agreed to move on.
.
SIA met with Alpa-S on Feb 17 and with all its five unions two days later.
.
What it did explain was that, as a global company, it could not furlough foreign-based pilots first, as Alpa-S had requested when Sars struck, as it would be unfair to the overseas-based pilots, who had accepted the same pay cuts as locally-based pilots had.
.
The company also disputed the union's claim that senior executives and directors were given preference on business class over fee-paying passengers.
.
It denied that the number of managers and executives had "ballooned" in recent years, citing a study done by a consultancy firm that indicated there was a lack of administrative support for the pilots.
.
The airline was more conciliatory in its response to feedback from other SIA unions, such as its "double standards" in acting quickly only when it suited management. It conceded that it needed to react to the weaker Singapore dollar and promised to review the meal allowances paid to crew while overseas.
.
On the charge that middle managers pass the buck to the top, SIA admitted that "not all middle managers are best communicators" and promised to address this problem and to be "more sensitive to the needs of subordinate staff".
.
In the works will be more information sharing on the company's financial performance, seminars, retreats, social get-togethers as the carrier acts to boost low morale and improve on communication channels.
.
But the airline said there could be no compromise on safety. And it argued that it should be able to offer higher starting salaries than stated in the collective agreements in order to attract the best talent.
.
Included in its media release was chief executive officer Chew Choon Seng's open letter to staff in which he said he was "perturbed" by the "insinuation" by Alpa-S that the SIA management was trying to enrich itself at the expense of the staff when it lifted the cap on stock options at the height of the Sars outbreak.
.
In practice, nobody had been awarded more than the previous cap, he said. The number of options awarded in July last year also dropped to seven million from 7.6 million in 2002.
.
Reminding staff that senior management had taken pay cuts of 16.5 per cent to 20 per cent, Mr Chew said the company had an "excellent chance" to hit its $600 million profit target by the end of this month.
.
"This means that all our staff will receive a lump-sum bonus equal not just to the wages that they have sacrificed, but 15 per cent more," he said.
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Here's more about the old man's Lee-dership...
Pilots told SM about ex-military chiefs
By Rebecca Lee
THE parachuting in of top military men to the top echelons of Singapore Airlines (SIA) caused unhappiness among the airline's pilots.
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Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew's dialogue with Alpa-S officials on Feb 26 at the Istana
They raised this issue when they met Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew at the Istana last week, according to transcripts of the meeting released to The Straits Times.
But Mr Lee pointed out that the military men had passed rigorous selections and were of high calibre, even if they might have to work on their interpersonal skills.
At his Istana meeting with the Air Line Pilots Association-Singapore (Alpa-S) last Thursday, the pilots aired their grievances with management.
Top of their list was SIA's employment of overseas-based pilots, which they said cost the airline more and was unfair to them.
The immediate past president of Alpa-S, Captain Dilip Padbidri, also said he believed that the head of SIA's flight operations division should come from within their own ranks to ensure that the person empathised with pilots and would be able to nip problems early, he said.
Two former Air Force chiefs in SIA are senior executive vice-president (technical and human resources) Bey Soo Khiang, who joined the airline in 2000, and senior vice-president for flight operations Raymund Ng, who joined in July 2001.
The pilots did not mention any names to Mr Lee.
But noting that having military men join SIA was 'part of our scheme of things', Mr Lee said: 'They finish off at the army, navy, air force. There's a career path. There's high turnover. At the age of 45, they have to move on because we have a young officer corps that has to move up. So, to move up, it's up and out.'
He added it was the same in the civil service, where every permanent secretary stayed for just five years to ensure renewal.
He also reminded the pilots that the selection process for the head of the air force was a highly rigorous one.
'Out of a batch of 300, 400 people trained to be fighter pilots, he cannot only be a good fighter pilot, he also has got the brains to organise and decide on many things besides just flying an aircraft.
'Don't misjudge people,' he said, adding the person at flight operations should be given another 2 1/2 years - as much time as he has now been in the job - to prove himself.
'If he doesn't make it, he'll be out, but I'm quite sure, he's got brains, he'll make it.
'Whether he'll be able to change his interpersonal style between a uniformed organisation which is hierarchical to a civilian organisation where the hierarchy counts for less and you're not ordering down, that's another problem which he will have to find an answer to,' he said.
The pilots had also blamed the flight operations division for the rostering problems that arose because of the overseas-based pilots scheme.
Mr Lee said he wanted the pilots to make 'a fresh start' with management even as the Government ensured it improved its human resource practices and communication with staff.
The pilots pledged to rebuild trust with management. SIA has taken steps to mend fences and improve internal communication.
Pilots told SM about ex-military chiefs
By Rebecca Lee
THE parachuting in of top military men to the top echelons of Singapore Airlines (SIA) caused unhappiness among the airline's pilots.
Click here for more information
Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew's dialogue with Alpa-S officials on Feb 26 at the Istana
They raised this issue when they met Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew at the Istana last week, according to transcripts of the meeting released to The Straits Times.
But Mr Lee pointed out that the military men had passed rigorous selections and were of high calibre, even if they might have to work on their interpersonal skills.
At his Istana meeting with the Air Line Pilots Association-Singapore (Alpa-S) last Thursday, the pilots aired their grievances with management.
Top of their list was SIA's employment of overseas-based pilots, which they said cost the airline more and was unfair to them.
The immediate past president of Alpa-S, Captain Dilip Padbidri, also said he believed that the head of SIA's flight operations division should come from within their own ranks to ensure that the person empathised with pilots and would be able to nip problems early, he said.
Two former Air Force chiefs in SIA are senior executive vice-president (technical and human resources) Bey Soo Khiang, who joined the airline in 2000, and senior vice-president for flight operations Raymund Ng, who joined in July 2001.
The pilots did not mention any names to Mr Lee.
But noting that having military men join SIA was 'part of our scheme of things', Mr Lee said: 'They finish off at the army, navy, air force. There's a career path. There's high turnover. At the age of 45, they have to move on because we have a young officer corps that has to move up. So, to move up, it's up and out.'
He added it was the same in the civil service, where every permanent secretary stayed for just five years to ensure renewal.
He also reminded the pilots that the selection process for the head of the air force was a highly rigorous one.
'Out of a batch of 300, 400 people trained to be fighter pilots, he cannot only be a good fighter pilot, he also has got the brains to organise and decide on many things besides just flying an aircraft.
'Don't misjudge people,' he said, adding the person at flight operations should be given another 2 1/2 years - as much time as he has now been in the job - to prove himself.
'If he doesn't make it, he'll be out, but I'm quite sure, he's got brains, he'll make it.
'Whether he'll be able to change his interpersonal style between a uniformed organisation which is hierarchical to a civilian organisation where the hierarchy counts for less and you're not ordering down, that's another problem which he will have to find an answer to,' he said.
The pilots had also blamed the flight operations division for the rostering problems that arose because of the overseas-based pilots scheme.
Mr Lee said he wanted the pilots to make 'a fresh start' with management even as the Government ensured it improved its human resource practices and communication with staff.
The pilots pledged to rebuild trust with management. SIA has taken steps to mend fences and improve internal communication.
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ICA serves notice to Ryan Goh on Entry and Re-Entry Permits
- from Channel News Asia, Singapore
SINGAPORE : The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority has served notice to cancel the Entry and Re-Entry Permits to Mr Ryan Goh, an SIA pilot.
Captain Goh, a Malaysian, is also a permanent resident in Singapore and Australia.
He will no longer be PR here once his Entry and Re-Entry Permits are cancelled.
Mr Goh may within the next 7 days write to the Controller of Immigration against such action.
An ICA statement said it acted after the Home Affairs Minister decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant.
He was recently singled out for his role in instigating the sacking of the previous pilots' union executive council during a recent dialogue with Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew. - CNA
ICA serves notice to Ryan Goh on Entry and Re-Entry Permits
- from Channel News Asia, Singapore
SINGAPORE : The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority has served notice to cancel the Entry and Re-Entry Permits to Mr Ryan Goh, an SIA pilot.
Captain Goh, a Malaysian, is also a permanent resident in Singapore and Australia.
He will no longer be PR here once his Entry and Re-Entry Permits are cancelled.
Mr Goh may within the next 7 days write to the Controller of Immigration against such action.
An ICA statement said it acted after the Home Affairs Minister decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant.
He was recently singled out for his role in instigating the sacking of the previous pilots' union executive council during a recent dialogue with Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew. - CNA
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Sunday Times, Singapore, 07.03.04
Controversial pilot will lose PR status
The ICA has informed Capt Ryan Goh, fingered as the instigator in the Alpa-S ouster, of its intention; he will appeal
By Rebecca Lee
CAPTAIN Ryan Goh Yew Hock, the Singapore Airlines (SIA) pilot singled out as the instigator behind last year's ouster of the pilot union's executive committee, has been served notice that his Singapore permanent residency (PR) is to be revoked.
The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) confirmed last night that it informed Capt Goh on Friday - when he returned from a flight - of its intention to cancel his entry and re-entry permits, which are necessary for PRs here.
'Mr Goh will no longer be a permanent resident of Singapore once his Entry Permit and Re-Entry Permits are cancelled,' the ICA said in a statement in response to queries from The Sunday Times.
'Mr Goh was informed that he may, within the next seven days, make written representation to the Controller of Immigration against such action.'
The 43-year-old Malaysian citizen, who has been a Singapore PR since 1981, said last night that the decision was 'disappointing'.
'I intend to appeal and I hope the authorities will look at my appeal favourably.
'This is after all my home. I have been here for 26 years,' was all he wanted to say when asked about the ICA statement.
The ICA said it acted against him after the Home Affairs Minister 'decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant' as defined by Section 8(3)(k) of the Immigration Act.
Section 8(3) of the Act defines persons who are considered prohibited immigrants and therefore barred from Singapore. This includes 'an undesirable immigrant' as defined in Section 8(3)(k) which reads:
'Any person who, in consequence of information received from any source or from any government through official or diplomatic channels, is considered by the Minister to be an undesirable immigrant.'
The ICA added that the Controller of Immigration will decide whether to cancel the entry and re-entry permits issued to Capt Goh 'and to declare his presence in Singapore unlawful after considering his written representation, if any'.
Capt Goh was singled out by Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew at an Istana meeting with pilots on Feb 26 for 'instigating' a leadership ouster in the Air Line Pilots Association Singapore (Alpa-S) last November.
At the meeting, he was accused of working behind the scenes, crafting a petition to oust the council, but not signing it himself.
It was revealed that prior to his moves against the union leadership, he had, in November 2002, accepted Australian PR. He bought a house in Perth, moved his wife and children and shipped his car there, and had sold his flat in Toa Payoh.
The upshot was that Capt Goh had kept secret his plans to widen his options while he moved behind the scenes to undermine industrial peace in SIA, which would also affect the interests of Singapore.
Mr Lee made the point at that meeting that if Singapore 'goes down, it is not just SIA that goes down, but you go down too'. But it was a different for PRs as they could opt out.
When The Sunday Times first contacted Capt Goh at his other property here - an apartment in Katong - a visibly troubled Capt Goh, clad in a red singlet and chequered shorts, refused to confirm that he had received the notice.
He spoke at length about his role in the ouster, defended his actions and pledged to give his side of the story to the authorities.
But he was also philosophical, saying: 'If I have to leave Singapore, I will have to leave, but I'll cross the bridge when I come to it. It is not my escape route.'
Pilots contacted yesterday were shocked at the news.
A pilot who has flown for more than 20 years, said the pilots may be looking to help Capt Goh in his appeal, but did not want to go into details, lest this jeopardises his chances.
Contacted last night, Alpa-S president Mok Hin Choon said: 'I have no comments. I don't think it is fair to add more fuel to speculation.'
Controversial pilot will lose PR status
The ICA has informed Capt Ryan Goh, fingered as the instigator in the Alpa-S ouster, of its intention; he will appeal
By Rebecca Lee
CAPTAIN Ryan Goh Yew Hock, the Singapore Airlines (SIA) pilot singled out as the instigator behind last year's ouster of the pilot union's executive committee, has been served notice that his Singapore permanent residency (PR) is to be revoked.
The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) confirmed last night that it informed Capt Goh on Friday - when he returned from a flight - of its intention to cancel his entry and re-entry permits, which are necessary for PRs here.
'Mr Goh will no longer be a permanent resident of Singapore once his Entry Permit and Re-Entry Permits are cancelled,' the ICA said in a statement in response to queries from The Sunday Times.
'Mr Goh was informed that he may, within the next seven days, make written representation to the Controller of Immigration against such action.'
The 43-year-old Malaysian citizen, who has been a Singapore PR since 1981, said last night that the decision was 'disappointing'.
'I intend to appeal and I hope the authorities will look at my appeal favourably.
'This is after all my home. I have been here for 26 years,' was all he wanted to say when asked about the ICA statement.
The ICA said it acted against him after the Home Affairs Minister 'decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant' as defined by Section 8(3)(k) of the Immigration Act.
Section 8(3) of the Act defines persons who are considered prohibited immigrants and therefore barred from Singapore. This includes 'an undesirable immigrant' as defined in Section 8(3)(k) which reads:
'Any person who, in consequence of information received from any source or from any government through official or diplomatic channels, is considered by the Minister to be an undesirable immigrant.'
The ICA added that the Controller of Immigration will decide whether to cancel the entry and re-entry permits issued to Capt Goh 'and to declare his presence in Singapore unlawful after considering his written representation, if any'.
Capt Goh was singled out by Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew at an Istana meeting with pilots on Feb 26 for 'instigating' a leadership ouster in the Air Line Pilots Association Singapore (Alpa-S) last November.
At the meeting, he was accused of working behind the scenes, crafting a petition to oust the council, but not signing it himself.
It was revealed that prior to his moves against the union leadership, he had, in November 2002, accepted Australian PR. He bought a house in Perth, moved his wife and children and shipped his car there, and had sold his flat in Toa Payoh.
The upshot was that Capt Goh had kept secret his plans to widen his options while he moved behind the scenes to undermine industrial peace in SIA, which would also affect the interests of Singapore.
Mr Lee made the point at that meeting that if Singapore 'goes down, it is not just SIA that goes down, but you go down too'. But it was a different for PRs as they could opt out.
When The Sunday Times first contacted Capt Goh at his other property here - an apartment in Katong - a visibly troubled Capt Goh, clad in a red singlet and chequered shorts, refused to confirm that he had received the notice.
He spoke at length about his role in the ouster, defended his actions and pledged to give his side of the story to the authorities.
But he was also philosophical, saying: 'If I have to leave Singapore, I will have to leave, but I'll cross the bridge when I come to it. It is not my escape route.'
Pilots contacted yesterday were shocked at the news.
A pilot who has flown for more than 20 years, said the pilots may be looking to help Capt Goh in his appeal, but did not want to go into details, lest this jeopardises his chances.
Contacted last night, Alpa-S president Mok Hin Choon said: 'I have no comments. I don't think it is fair to add more fuel to speculation.'
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I suppose the next logical step will be for the SM and PM to sue this errant Captain for libel in the tame Singapore Government controlled courts and bankrupt this individual as they have done in the past to anyone who dares to oppose them ???
Don't expect any worthwhile support from his colleagues because of the "SYSTEM" in Singapore.
Lots of Singaporeans have places in Perth and elsewhere in Australia. Does that make them traitors??
I believe the PM's daughter lives overseas still. What does that make her??
Don't expect any worthwhile support from his colleagues because of the "SYSTEM" in Singapore.
Lots of Singaporeans have places in Perth and elsewhere in Australia. Does that make them traitors??
I believe the PM's daughter lives overseas still. What does that make her??
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I wonder what the European Court of Human Rights or Amnesty International would make of the above Singaporean antics in respect of Captain Goh, who, it appears, will be banished from the Republic within seven days and as a corollary, will forthwith lose his job with SIA.
Is it any wonder that many Singaporeans stealthily transfer their wealth and their children’s tertiary education to Australia, once they have attained PR status in that great nation and are then reasonably safe from the arbitrary depredations of a tin pot dictatorship?
‘Fraid Singapore has a loooong way to go before it joins the “first world”.
Is it any wonder that many Singaporeans stealthily transfer their wealth and their children’s tertiary education to Australia, once they have attained PR status in that great nation and are then reasonably safe from the arbitrary depredations of a tin pot dictatorship?
‘Fraid Singapore has a loooong way to go before it joins the “first world”.
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The Channel News Asia's version:
Singapore ICA serves notice to cancel SIA pilot's entry, re-entry permits
SINGAPORE : The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority has served notice to cancel the Entry and Re-Entry Permits to Mr Ryan Goh, an SIA pilot.
Captain Goh, a Malaysian, is also a permanent resident in Singapore and Australia.
He will no longer be PR here once his Entry and Re-Entry Permits are cancelled.
Mr Goh may within the next 7 days write to the Controller of Immigration against such action.
An ICA statement said it acted after the Home Affairs Minister decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant.
He was recently singled out for his role in instigating the sacking of the previous pilots' union executive council during a recent dialogue with Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew. - CNA
The funniest thing about Singapore is that when the Govt or Govt departments cancel or revoke licences, the onus is on the person to make the justification, not the GOVT or Govt department.
Now, Capt Goh has to give in writing in seven days why the ICA should not revoke his PR status.
Madness, I think, or is it Lee-dership?
Singapore ICA serves notice to cancel SIA pilot's entry, re-entry permits
SINGAPORE : The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority has served notice to cancel the Entry and Re-Entry Permits to Mr Ryan Goh, an SIA pilot.
Captain Goh, a Malaysian, is also a permanent resident in Singapore and Australia.
He will no longer be PR here once his Entry and Re-Entry Permits are cancelled.
Mr Goh may within the next 7 days write to the Controller of Immigration against such action.
An ICA statement said it acted after the Home Affairs Minister decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant.
He was recently singled out for his role in instigating the sacking of the previous pilots' union executive council during a recent dialogue with Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew. - CNA
The funniest thing about Singapore is that when the Govt or Govt departments cancel or revoke licences, the onus is on the person to make the justification, not the GOVT or Govt department.
Now, Capt Goh has to give in writing in seven days why the ICA should not revoke his PR status.
Madness, I think, or is it Lee-dership?
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Straits Times, 08.03.04
Foreigners welcome to join unions
THE cancellation of controversial Singapore Airlines (SIA) pilot Ryan Goh's permanent resident (PR) status does not have anything to do with his role in last year's ouster of the pilot union's executive committee.
Responding to queries in the wake of Saturday's announcement by the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA), NTUC deputy secretary-general Heng Chee How said yesterday: 'There is no reason for us to link the notification that he got from immigration with anything else.'
Speaking at a community event, Mr Heng, an MP for Jalan Besar GRC, added that foreign workers would continue to be welcome in Singapore and are still free to join unions here.
But, although foreigners can join unions, leadership positions in them are another matter.
Only 2 per cent of union leaders here are foreigners. The Manpower Ministry says their numbers are kept down to ensure they do not take over power.
Captain Goh, a 43-year-old Malaysian citizen who is an Australian PR too, was singled out by Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew recently for 'instigating' the leadership ouster in the Air Line Pilots Association-Singapore (Alpa-S) last year.
Mr Lee accused him of working behind the scenes and crafting a petition to oust the council, but not signing it himself.
The ICA informed Capt Goh on Friday of its intention to cancel his entry and re-entry permits, which are necessary for PRs here.
The ICA said it was acting against him after the Home Affairs Minister 'decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant' as defined by Section 8(3)(k) of the Immigration Act.
Capt Goh has said he will appeal the decision.
Foreigners welcome to join unions
THE cancellation of controversial Singapore Airlines (SIA) pilot Ryan Goh's permanent resident (PR) status does not have anything to do with his role in last year's ouster of the pilot union's executive committee.
Responding to queries in the wake of Saturday's announcement by the Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA), NTUC deputy secretary-general Heng Chee How said yesterday: 'There is no reason for us to link the notification that he got from immigration with anything else.'
Speaking at a community event, Mr Heng, an MP for Jalan Besar GRC, added that foreign workers would continue to be welcome in Singapore and are still free to join unions here.
But, although foreigners can join unions, leadership positions in them are another matter.
Only 2 per cent of union leaders here are foreigners. The Manpower Ministry says their numbers are kept down to ensure they do not take over power.
Captain Goh, a 43-year-old Malaysian citizen who is an Australian PR too, was singled out by Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew recently for 'instigating' the leadership ouster in the Air Line Pilots Association-Singapore (Alpa-S) last year.
Mr Lee accused him of working behind the scenes and crafting a petition to oust the council, but not signing it himself.
The ICA informed Capt Goh on Friday of its intention to cancel his entry and re-entry permits, which are necessary for PRs here.
The ICA said it was acting against him after the Home Affairs Minister 'decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant' as defined by Section 8(3)(k) of the Immigration Act.
Capt Goh has said he will appeal the decision.
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THE cancellation of controversial Singapore Airlines (SIA) pilot Ryan Goh's permanent resident (PR) status does not have anything to do with his role in last year's ouster of the pilot union's executive committee……..
.......'There is no reason for us to link the notification that he got from immigration with anything else.'............
…….The ICA said it was acting against him after the Home Affairs Minister 'decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant' as defined by Section 8(3)(k) of the Immigration Act.
Hmmmmmmm!!?? Ok, so why is Captain Ryan Goh an undesirable immigrant all of a sudden, after 26 years living in Singapore under PR status?
Will the ICA publicly state at appeal, the reasons that lie behind the extraordinary and remarkably timed realization of Captain Goh’s undesirability?
Will reassurance also be given that the ICA’s awakening from its 26 year somnolence is completely coincidental with the very recent public castigation of Captain Goh, by the Senior Minister, for his role in last year's ouster of the pilot union's executive committee?
We think we should be told!
.......'There is no reason for us to link the notification that he got from immigration with anything else.'............
…….The ICA said it was acting against him after the Home Affairs Minister 'decided that Mr Goh was an undesirable immigrant' as defined by Section 8(3)(k) of the Immigration Act.
Hmmmmmmm!!?? Ok, so why is Captain Ryan Goh an undesirable immigrant all of a sudden, after 26 years living in Singapore under PR status?
Will the ICA publicly state at appeal, the reasons that lie behind the extraordinary and remarkably timed realization of Captain Goh’s undesirability?
Will reassurance also be given that the ICA’s awakening from its 26 year somnolence is completely coincidental with the very recent public castigation of Captain Goh, by the Senior Minister, for his role in last year's ouster of the pilot union's executive committee?
We think we should be told!
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The outcome of the appeal is obvious.
When I arrived at Stalag Singapura in 1991 we were told a story about a certain outspoken Malaysian much like our Capt. Ryan Goh.
Legend has it that he pissed off the old man 'Lee Con You' also in union matters. The result was several masked men having dragged him out of his bed in the middle of the night and given him a big scare.
The outspoken Malaysian went from tiger to mouse.
Any old timers want to kill or confirm this legend/ rumour.
Now, Ryan last I saw you was in the hotel crew room in LAX. I was there with my wife visiting an old SQ friend. I just want to say one thing to you.
WELCOME TO THE CLUB MAN.
The good news is, there is better life waiting for you elsewhere.
When I arrived at Stalag Singapura in 1991 we were told a story about a certain outspoken Malaysian much like our Capt. Ryan Goh.
Legend has it that he pissed off the old man 'Lee Con You' also in union matters. The result was several masked men having dragged him out of his bed in the middle of the night and given him a big scare.
The outspoken Malaysian went from tiger to mouse.
Any old timers want to kill or confirm this legend/ rumour.
Now, Ryan last I saw you was in the hotel crew room in LAX. I was there with my wife visiting an old SQ friend. I just want to say one thing to you.
WELCOME TO THE CLUB MAN.
The good news is, there is better life waiting for you elsewhere.
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Is anyone really expecting anything else from the old man/government?
Many years ago, had a rather young(ish) B747 local Captain ask me for the address/telex of ALPA in Washington DC.
Supplied same, but then mentioned..."just why would you bother, nothing will change."
Seems it hasn't either.
Some never learn.
Many years ago, had a rather young(ish) B747 local Captain ask me for the address/telex of ALPA in Washington DC.
Supplied same, but then mentioned..."just why would you bother, nothing will change."
Seems it hasn't either.
Some never learn.
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wrong dude, wrong isla
Hard to guess what is next for Ryan.
But one things is for sure in this Witch-hunt.
One scape goat will be found and severely punished.
Wrong action in a wrong isla.
Not to sound too presumtious, but all the best to ryan .
p.s: this the result of kicking the hornets nest, which was
labelled "Dangerous Goods"
But one things is for sure in this Witch-hunt.
One scape goat will be found and severely punished.
Wrong action in a wrong isla.
Not to sound too presumtious, but all the best to ryan .
p.s: this the result of kicking the hornets nest, which was
labelled "Dangerous Goods"
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highcirrus,
Quote:>>>Hmmmmmmm!!?? Ok, so why is Captain Ryan Goh an undesirable immigrant all of a sudden, after 26 years living in Singapore under PR status?<<<
You don't get it, in the Leepublic of Silly pore, when the immigration dept (or ICA) cancels or revokes the PR status, the
onus is on the person not the Immigration Dept to justify the action.
That's Leedership 101.
Quote:>>>Hmmmmmmm!!?? Ok, so why is Captain Ryan Goh an undesirable immigrant all of a sudden, after 26 years living in Singapore under PR status?<<<
You don't get it, in the Leepublic of Silly pore, when the immigration dept (or ICA) cancels or revokes the PR status, the
onus is on the person not the Immigration Dept to justify the action.
That's Leedership 101.
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“The Immigration and Checkpoints Authority (ICA) confirmed last night (06.03.04) that it informed Capt Goh on Friday (05.03.04) - when he returned from a flight - of its intention to cancel his entry and re-entry permits, which are necessary for PRs here.”
“Mr Goh was informed that he may, within the next seven days, make written representation to the Controller of Immigration against such action.” – R.Lee, Straits Times, 07.03.04.
As tomorrow is Friday, 12 March, 2004 and thus seven days since Captain Goh was first notified of the effective revocation of his PR status in Singapore (and hence the effective revocation of his job with SIA), we should by now have read details of the timing of Captain Goh’s appeal to the ICA and we will certainly be looking forward to reading similar details of its outcome by the redoubtable R. Lee - though no doubt we won’t be too surprised by then!
On another note, please be assured, Lee that I do indeed “get it”, as I think I similarly “get” your allusion to George Orwell’s Room 101, which featured in his seminal novel, “1984”, the plot of which was set in another totalitarian regime.
“Mr Goh was informed that he may, within the next seven days, make written representation to the Controller of Immigration against such action.” – R.Lee, Straits Times, 07.03.04.
As tomorrow is Friday, 12 March, 2004 and thus seven days since Captain Goh was first notified of the effective revocation of his PR status in Singapore (and hence the effective revocation of his job with SIA), we should by now have read details of the timing of Captain Goh’s appeal to the ICA and we will certainly be looking forward to reading similar details of its outcome by the redoubtable R. Lee - though no doubt we won’t be too surprised by then!
On another note, please be assured, Lee that I do indeed “get it”, as I think I similarly “get” your allusion to George Orwell’s Room 101, which featured in his seminal novel, “1984”, the plot of which was set in another totalitarian regime.
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Straits Times, 11.03.04
SIA dispute: Why SM stepped in
IT WAS no ordinary labour dispute as it affected hundreds of thousands of jobs in the aviation sector.
There was also 'unfinished business' to settle, harking back to the pilot union's previous run-in with then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew in 1980 when it went on a work-to-rule action.
Both these reasons prompted Senior Minister Lee to step in, and nip in the bud growing problems between Singapore Airlines (SIA) and its pilots' union over the past few months, said Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong yesterday.
'SIA is not only a big employer, but it is also an icon of Singapore and the anchor to the whole aviation sector in Singapore,' DPM Lee told the House when he wrapped up the debate on the Budget statement.
'Hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake.'
DPM Lee was responding to veteran MP Tan Cheng Bock, who said on Tuesday that people were asking why SM Lee had to intervene in the dispute.
They also wanted to know what it said about the younger ministers' ability to handle such issues, the Ayer Rajah MP told the House.
Yesterday, DPM Lee replied: 'SM did this rather than one of the other ministers, because this was unfinished business left over from 1980 when there were troubles between SIA and the pilots' union which SM handled.'
So two weeks ago, SM Lee met members of the Air Line Pilots Association-Singapore (Alpa-S) to sort out the union's differences with management.
He had stepped in after the pilots ousted the Alpa-S leadership last November, a move that the Government deemed as undermining industrial relations.
'It was therefore critical to nip the bud effectively while maintaining the trust of all parties involved,' said DPM Lee. -- Sue-Ann Chia
SIA dispute: Why SM stepped in
IT WAS no ordinary labour dispute as it affected hundreds of thousands of jobs in the aviation sector.
There was also 'unfinished business' to settle, harking back to the pilot union's previous run-in with then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew in 1980 when it went on a work-to-rule action.
Both these reasons prompted Senior Minister Lee to step in, and nip in the bud growing problems between Singapore Airlines (SIA) and its pilots' union over the past few months, said Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong yesterday.
'SIA is not only a big employer, but it is also an icon of Singapore and the anchor to the whole aviation sector in Singapore,' DPM Lee told the House when he wrapped up the debate on the Budget statement.
'Hundreds of thousands of jobs are at stake.'
DPM Lee was responding to veteran MP Tan Cheng Bock, who said on Tuesday that people were asking why SM Lee had to intervene in the dispute.
They also wanted to know what it said about the younger ministers' ability to handle such issues, the Ayer Rajah MP told the House.
Yesterday, DPM Lee replied: 'SM did this rather than one of the other ministers, because this was unfinished business left over from 1980 when there were troubles between SIA and the pilots' union which SM handled.'
So two weeks ago, SM Lee met members of the Air Line Pilots Association-Singapore (Alpa-S) to sort out the union's differences with management.
He had stepped in after the pilots ousted the Alpa-S leadership last November, a move that the Government deemed as undermining industrial relations.
'It was therefore critical to nip the bud effectively while maintaining the trust of all parties involved,' said DPM Lee. -- Sue-Ann Chia
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Interesting to note the words of Insider107, written on 1 March 2004:
“…………… for the Senior Minister, who solely runs the show in Singapore (despite the sometimes tiresome ritual of having a Prime Minister and a Cabinet) and who, incidentally, was a little disingenuous in his explanation, as reported by R. Lee, that he had interceded in the Pilots’ dispute with SIA as the Government was the major shareholder of the airline (which it is) – his real motive, of course, was to personally head off any form of industrial action by Alpa-S (and he couldn’t trust anyone else to do the job properly) which would have set a precedent and an encouragement for other Singapore “unions” and hence would have struck at the very heart of the monolithic regime he has created and is intent on passing intact to his son in the next couple of months.”
Now we note the son’s words giving the alternate reason for his father’s intercession:
'SM did this rather than one of the other ministers, because this was unfinished business left over from 1980 when there were troubles between SIA and the pilots' union which SM handled.’
Oh really? Surely at the time, SM Lee’s threats to incarcerate the pilot union leaders in Changi Gaol, along with their families, made absolutely sure that there was no “unfinished business” remaining, back in 1980?
Similarly:
'It was therefore critical to nip the bud effectively while maintaining the trust of all parties involved,' said DPM Lee.
In light of the recent treatment meted out to Captain Goh, can the regime really claim that trust has been maintained amongst all parties?
And surely my understand is erroneous that some people regard the DPM's words as not being a million miles away from containing cant, hypocrisy and mendacity?
“…………… for the Senior Minister, who solely runs the show in Singapore (despite the sometimes tiresome ritual of having a Prime Minister and a Cabinet) and who, incidentally, was a little disingenuous in his explanation, as reported by R. Lee, that he had interceded in the Pilots’ dispute with SIA as the Government was the major shareholder of the airline (which it is) – his real motive, of course, was to personally head off any form of industrial action by Alpa-S (and he couldn’t trust anyone else to do the job properly) which would have set a precedent and an encouragement for other Singapore “unions” and hence would have struck at the very heart of the monolithic regime he has created and is intent on passing intact to his son in the next couple of months.”
Now we note the son’s words giving the alternate reason for his father’s intercession:
'SM did this rather than one of the other ministers, because this was unfinished business left over from 1980 when there were troubles between SIA and the pilots' union which SM handled.’
Oh really? Surely at the time, SM Lee’s threats to incarcerate the pilot union leaders in Changi Gaol, along with their families, made absolutely sure that there was no “unfinished business” remaining, back in 1980?
Similarly:
'It was therefore critical to nip the bud effectively while maintaining the trust of all parties involved,' said DPM Lee.
In light of the recent treatment meted out to Captain Goh, can the regime really claim that trust has been maintained amongst all parties?
And surely my understand is erroneous that some people regard the DPM's words as not being a million miles away from containing cant, hypocrisy and mendacity?
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"unfinished business"
Perhaps "unfinished business" refers to one Freddie Koh, whom I think was the only one in this round of tea at the Istana to also have been at the last Istana tea party in 1980 for a similar tete-a-tete.
At that time, Freddie was President of SIAPA, the union as it was called then. They organised some disruptions resulting in a bunch of pilots getting sacked. Old Lee waded in to sort things out, then things settled down.
Now this threat of disruption is reappearing, or so it seems to old Lee. Is it possible that old Lee sees Freddie Koh as a remnant of the original brat pack who tried to upstage him, now resurfacing and perceived to be regrouping and organising yet another uprising?
Perhaps "unfinished business" refers to one Freddie Koh, whom I think was the only one in this round of tea at the Istana to also have been at the last Istana tea party in 1980 for a similar tete-a-tete.
At that time, Freddie was President of SIAPA, the union as it was called then. They organised some disruptions resulting in a bunch of pilots getting sacked. Old Lee waded in to sort things out, then things settled down.
Now this threat of disruption is reappearing, or so it seems to old Lee. Is it possible that old Lee sees Freddie Koh as a remnant of the original brat pack who tried to upstage him, now resurfacing and perceived to be regrouping and organising yet another uprising?