Ok thanks.

I tried calling them, the guy at the information desk picks p and transfers me to a dep. but no one picks up!! :zzz:

Anyways I am still waiting for my Canadian CPL.

So has anyone Applied recently for a conversion?

The Mumbai office is also of no use. Went there and they have no idea what documents or anything...told me to contact the Delhi office!!

Hey Guys can anyone tell me when do we need an FSD approval from DGCA, In what context??

Hey guys,

Can we do the Multi rating and IFR on aircrafts like Piper Seminole or Travel air and do the DGCA checks on a Piper Seneca for the issue Indian license with Multi IFR endorsement? Will DGCA accept it?

I am currently in canada and having a hard time in finding schools that have Seneca and offer decent training. My school had one until yesterday, they have found cracks in wing spars and are planning to sell it for scarp.

some one kindly please advise.

@aviator86

You will need atleast 7 hours of DUAL training on the PA-34 before undergoing the skill tests . The rest 3 hours can be done as skill tests . Its clearly mentioned in the flow chart .

@ cyrilroy21

Thanks alot.

Do we need to do the 250nm x-country day and 120nm x-country night as well or is it just the General Flying Test by Day and Night we need to do on a Seneca.

If you are also applying for a Single Engine commercial then the 250nm and 120 can be done on the single only .

However if you are only applying for the multi then 250 and 120 should be done on the multi .

To be on the safe side its best to do it on the multi just in case the licensing officer changes his mind

@cyrilroy21

I will be applying for a single engine commercial in Indian with a Multi and IFR endorsement on the license. Can I do away with out 250 and 120 on a Seneca.

Do you have both multi engine and single engine commercial license with instrument rating on your Canadian License ?

if you do then you can get away with it . Even candidates from IGRUA and NFTI dont do the 250 and 120 on the multi because they already do it on the Single .

Since you are applying for both you can do your multi skill test in Canada and the single engine skill test in India .

For the multi you have to log
4hours Dual by day
3 hours Dual by night ( within the 7 hours log some instrument hood time also with practice instrument approaches )
1 hour skill test by day with 3 t/o & ldg
1 hour skill test by night with 3 t/o & ldg
1 hour IR check with 2 approaches ( 1 hour under the hood . So total flight time will be 1.2 or more )

Before you do any of the training you need to undergo atleast 20 hours of ground school on the particular aircraft type( make sure you get a certificate that says specifically 20 hours ) . Then you have to undergo a specific exam on type conducted by the Civil Aviation Authority or by the flight school ( in case of countries like FAA or TC where open rating is given for aircraft below 5700kg )
You have to obtain 70% or more in the written exam . Ask the flight school to preserve the original answer sheet as the DGCA might want to take a look at it .

@cyrilroy, others..

thanks all for your patient answers on this topic.

I am now pretty clear about
1. multi-IFR rating + multi skill tests abroad.
2. RTR, FRTOL, SPL process in India.
3. Skill tests in india on single and then submission for conversion.

MY question is regarding the documents to be submitted at the end?
Does anyone have the updated list of what they want?

Also, what is your advice if i have done my training from multiple schools?
Just get the certificates with details of Cross country, hood times etc from each school for the flying done with them and attach them all? any other way to do it? what does dgca want in such a situation?

@stiknruddr

I suggest you get the RTR FRTOL and SPL prior to any flying for recency . This is because it can be time consuming process and you can expect a few hiccups ( You are dealing with the Indian DGCA :} )

For FRTOL you will need your 10+2 verification

If one flight school is willing to certify all the paperwork then that would be the best case .
The skill tests and all the other paperwork for recency the flight school in India should take care of it .

Please diregard my previous message .

You need to get the respective paperwork from the respective flight schools especially the accident and incident free certificates . Only if you are unable to obtain it ( eg school shut down ) should you do it from another flight school or from Transport Canada if possible .

[email protected] or [email protected]
 

hey, do any of you guys know which one is the correct e-mail ID for sending verifications from NZCAA - [email protected] or [email protected] :confused::confused:?? Thanx fellas

Its the second one same as the one given on the flow chart

[email protected]

Thanx Cyril, I got in touch earlier with NZCAA and they told me they had been using the former ID for previous student requests. Was confused so just wanted to double check

Hey Cyrilroy21,

Its mentioned in the flow chat that " allow for acceptance of skill test done abroad provided the test reports are duly authenticated by a representative of the Regulatory Authority of the State where the tests have been performed. " I am doing my training in Canada am assuming its going to be Transport Canada who should authenticate it along with my flight school CFI right ?.

How should it be authenticated, is there a particular format/form? do we have to get the reports of GFT by day and night stamped and signed by them or can they just print a letter saying everything is done as DGCA want us to?

Thank you

The TC examiner who takes the skill tests should sign the paperwork ( CA 40 Day / Night and IR Checks ) . These documents should also be stamped from the flight school

The examiner should also sign the logbook entries .

I am sure you are aware of the skill test in India rule.......

Hey, thanks

Can't we do the CA40 day and night with an instructor or the school CFI?? Should it only be done by a TC examiner??

Yes am aware of the checks that needs to be done in India. I will do the multi checks in Canada and single engine checks in India.

While technically speaking you can do the checks with an Instructor or the Chief Flight Instructor as per what DGCA has written on its forms what they actually mean is that you have to do it with a TC examiner . In India the Chief Flight Instructors are also usually a DGCA qualified examiner .

I know people have done it with Instructors and got their DGCA CPL issued .

Also finish off the rest of your recency requirments in Canada itself on the single engine so that when you come back to India all you have to do is the skill tests .
Also dont log any instrument time ( under the hood ) as PIC ,
only DUAL ( 5 hours )

Do you have an Indian SPL and FRTOL ?

Thanks alot.

I havent got an Indian SPL and FRTOL yet, but I have cleared the technical exam for the Seneca.

Yes, as you said I will finish all my recency in Canada ( 15hours PIC , 5hours Night PIC with 10 take off and landings, 5hours instrument on a single engine, GFT by day and night on a Seneca), I will do only the single engine checks in India ( GFT by day and night, 250nm day x-country and 120nm night x-county on a C-172 )

Will this work for me? I want both single and multi endorsement on my Indian CPL and i will be getting the same on my Canadian License.

One more clarification, Can those 15hours of PIC include GFT by day and night as we would log them as solo?

And can those 15hours done on several different aircrafts like 152 and 172?