funny u guys mention this

so many wanna bes and cadets stress over this. - but the truth is, it doesnt matter what fleet u r on as an SO. never handle or fly the plane...

when you are sitting in the cruise...it really doesnt matter...

i guess maybe different fleets have different hand mics....lol

One A/C type will sound better than the other when they tell everyone they are a "pilot"......

If you start as an A330 S/O will be you A330 F/O when the time comes? Or whatever slot comes up first?

It's simple really:

Choose the most irrational conversion from an experience, preference or current fleet perspective...

That's what you'll get.

Expressing an interest in any particular type guarantees it's exclusion.
Want "le grande plastique" to visit dear old mum in YSSY? Faggetaboudit. 777 for you.
B744 to get those YVR flights to polish off your float rating? Bus for you my boy.
Get the idea?

US pilot
 

I have 1800 tt and 200 multi and have a few questions if anyone can help to clarify. I have a US-NY interview in AUG 2011.

1)Will my CX SO time will be recognized in the US or other countries if for some unfortunate reason I am furloughed or have a family emergency and need to leave CX before I receive a type rating?

2) At what level do you get typed, Jr FO or FO?

Also, as for the 6 year training contract/loan. Some posts mention a 3 month notice is acceptable as a way out. Which is accurate or was this a practice they allowed before 2011?

Finally, does CX do a credit check like some govt contract us carriers (fed ex). I had a bankruptcy 6 years ago and there are some companies that cant hire me as a result within 7-10 years of filing.

Love the utter BS on this forum by CX pilots.

1) the P2X is all of a P1 command type rating except for the circuits at the end, and you can have that accepted as a P1 rating on your licence in some countries, Australia for instance.
2) Agreed you never get a sector but you are in the sim at least every second month and would therefore get more sectors/landings than the majority of Relief Commanders on the 744 or 777 fleets.
3) It's not cool to accept this icadet job on it's reduced COS but it's OK to work on G days for 2.5% or take a Freighter Command that gets you left seat on a 744 for 60% what the company would be paying a pax skipper to do the job.


Oh yeah, thats completely different................

Kettle pot black

stillalbatross,

It seems the utter BS is coming from you after your last post.

A P2X rating is not accepted as a P1 endorsement in Australia and never has been.
Previously (up until approx. 18 months ago) a P2X rating could be transferred to an Australian license as a P2 rating (ie. co-pilot). I have been told that CASA will no longer accept a P2X to transfer to Australian licenses. I am unsure of the rest of the world but I would guess as it is a simulator only rating, no licensing authority would accept it.


Many of the releif commanders on the 777 and 747 stay quite current. I rarely ever see any that are uncurrent due to the large amount of regional sectors available on the 777, and many shorter freighter sectors available to 747 guys.
If you think it is better to be in the simulator conducting circuits, against doing an actual sector in the real aircraft, then maybe it would be better for you to stay home full time playing MS Flight sim.


The package for iCadet is not very good at all, so you are correct in the first part of your statement.

It is not OK to work on G days ( I never have and never will ).

Freighter commands are no longer available and all commands are now in seniority. The pay rate was approx. 80% of what a pax captain would earn.


If you wish to pontificate about CX pilots or others on a forum, make sure you know the facts and not just spew drivel and lies.

Forward CofG

I was actually informed by CASA Canberra office in 2003 when my job security at CX looked fragile due to SARS that my HK P2X rating couldn’t be converted to an Aus P2 rating. I don’t know where “stillalbatross” has got his info from but it is wrong and I suggest he contact CASA for the facts. As for the US, they don’t have P2 ratings. You are either rated i.e. P1 or you aren’t. A P2X doesn’t qualify you for a P1 rating on a US licence. You can though be non-rated and act as a co-pilot on US registered aircraft.

I was under the impression that the p2x rating could count for half the hours towards the ATPL licence. Am I completely off on this statement??

heard a lot of negative about CX.
But as somebody who has actually experienced furlough first hand ,coming from good ol US of A, not a surprise, I can tell that there is no package out there that can compensate for job stability. And that's one thing cx has, at least so far so good.

Forward CofG & 404 Titan

CASA should not distinguish between "P1/P2" ratings obtained overseas, they are all classified as "overseas aeroplane endorsement" under CAO 40.1.0 Paragraph 6.9.

CASA does not have a 528 for an endorsement, it has a syllabus of training as per 40.1.0 Appendix 3. Any type rating in HKG covers all the syllabus items for the issue of a command endorsement in Australia. When converting an endorsement, if you put a little more effort in an comply with CAO 40.1.0 para 7.2.3 (ca), i.e. training records, how they are at least equivalent to 40.1.0 Appendix 3, and a copy of the CX AOC, and contact information (email address) of how this can be verified, you can get a full command endorsement.

The difference between a P1/P2/P2X ratings in HKG is not in the training, it is what is done in the 528 test. The P1/P2 rating have a base training component, Australia does not require any base training for the issue of an endorsement. If all the training is covered in a simulator, that is satisfactory for CASA.

I would dare say the reason for your rejection is the question being asked, and the information being presented, and not knowing the rules yourself.

Dangerman12

Yes, it is recognised by ICAO as co-pilot time.

Edit : Fixed CAO Paragraph referance to CAO 40.1.0 para 7.2.3 (ca)

swh

here is a link from CASA licensing section. It is for overseas aircraft endorsements.

http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...ndorsement.pdf

If you look under the section for Group/Class Endorsements you can see an applicant needs to have command time or have completed a proficiency check.
Otherwise a Co-pilot (P2) endorsement is provided.

I was told by a friend who recently tried having his P2X rating transferred to his license that CASA will no longer allow this, although CASA's website does not specify any info on a rule change (that I can find).

swh

I actually did provide a copy of my training records/syllabus and the HKCAD test form but was informed by CASA in 2003 that the HK P2X isn’t a recognised rating and therefore isn’t transferable. I am more than familiar with CAO 40.1.0 par 6.4 having been a CFI/ATO with testing approvals to CPL and MEIFR with a previous employer. Maybe CASA were wrong but they unfortunately had the last word and weren’t budging in their decision at the time. Once I had a P1 rating though six months later it wasn’t an issue.

Forward CofG

There is a subtle difference. That document is for the conversion of a rating to the equivalent Australian endorsement.

from CAO 40.1.0 para 7.2.3

"(c) the person seeking the endorsement must hold an overseas aeroplane endorsement that CASA is satisfied is at least equivalent to the class endorsement sought;"

The process I outlined is for the issue of an Australian endorsement on the basis of training conducted overseas. This would be like going to Alteon overseas to do the training and have the endorsement issued in Australia, except in this case, CX is the TRTO.

"(ca) the person seeking the endorsement must give to CASA the following:
(i) documents from the training provider that show that he or she has completed all the training and testing required for the issue of an overseas aeroplane endorsement that CASA is satisfied is at least equivalent to the class endorsement sought;
(ii) documents from the relevant authority that show that the organisation or individual who conducted the training was approved by the authority at the time of the training and assessment for the issue of the overseas endorsement;
(iii) information that will enable CASA to verify the documents provided;"

That is how I had two of my overseas endorsements put onto my Australian licence. CASA has different requirements for the issue of an endorsement than some other overseas contracting states, as long as you have completed the recognised training that CASA requires in CAO 40.1, and have it documented, and that can be verified, no reason why CASA will not issue the rating.

You just need to know what you are asking for, and what information to provide. If you go in with you overseas licence only, the process of para (c) needs to be followed.

404,

I did not give them my licence, just the training records. I was able to demonstrate that the training met the requirements of CAO 40.1. FYI a number of the sim instructors have also been able to do the same for rating they do have on a HKG licence, some do not even have a HKG licence.

Dangerman:

That is for the issue of a HK ATPL, they count them as half rate. I am pretty sure no where else does and certain that the UK (JAA) do not count any of them. I investigated unfreezing a JAA ATPL but was told I do not have the multi crew hours required as the P2X rating is not recognized so any hours flown using it are not valid.

Sloppy Joe,

Thanks alot mate! That's clarified it for me.

Dangerman

Fwd CofG,

So you've never seen TL on a 777 roster? Never gone 60 days before getting a sector? When the next ER turns up will that make the ratio of longhaul to shorthaul on the fleet increase or decrease? Are we short of RQ on the fleet due increasing longhaul or way overmanned?

Not sure about 2011 but from memory plenty of guys in 2001-02 sent all their type rating info to CASA and got a P1 for their troubles. Long and drawn out process but it was endorsed on their licence.

I'm not saying the sim is better, just that the amount of time in the front seat for take off and landing may not be as different as some make out. Plenty of guys have done max 16 sectors a year while RQ on the 744, 777 will head the same way.

All commands are now in seniority but you gave up some incremental rises as a result. Brilliant. And 20% less? Only? You are happy with up to 20% less money for the same job? This will help our COS go in which direction?

Did you ask an A scaler about your package before you joined (if you're not an A scaler), would he have said the money's ****e, don't take it?

if you're a B scaler on here you have no right to slag off the new joiners on C scale, you did exactly the same thing.

Who in their right mind would join without a travel allowance? B scale

Who in their right mind would join without the P fund indexed? B scale

Need I go on? Guys join knowing what they are getting, let them be.

Years ago I got a P2 rating from CASA but it stated.

I was just trying it on to see what happened was a waste of money, I'm surprised CASA doesn't do the same thing just to collect the cash.

Perhaps since JM aka TSS :ok: got there he sees P2X for what it really is.

?? :confused:
 

ok does the hongg kong pilot licenses works in the other country? if i am the first officers of cathy ok and i want to go to the air quantas or the etihad airlines or the air emirates or the british airlines is the hong kong pilott licenses works in these airlines? ok thanks

yeass it vorks man, u fly da 777 solo first go and when u roll on da runway u go put da full powa and then u fly in the air like a car with wings.
But maybe over seas coz u have da hongg kong pilot licences maybe u get direct captain man, no poofy copilot in there

non HK asian
 

Hello Gentlemen,New to this forum, can anyone share some insights whether other asian (other than HK’ers) have chances to this cadet program? I have PPL, 8 years as airline technical services - powerplant. I’m under the impression CX is only eyeing for HK’ers and caucasian candidates. Thanks!

Hello Gents,

I'm new here. Can you tell if one with following background has a chance for a cadet SO interview?
1. Degree in Mechanical Engg.
2. 8 years working as Airline Technical Services Engr - Engine/APU
3. Asian (not HK'er)
I'm under the impression that CX cadet program is only open for HK'ers and white gents.

You're way ahead of the guy 4 posts above :}

da biotch dey luv u here man. wid da shades an da ATTITUDE u r da biz bro.

hey mi brudder join now i sez man.

sloppy joe, were you hired by CX then?

I might have missed it in the previous post, did not read it all the way back

Stage 2 interviews
 

Hi guys,

I've been reading the thread from page 100 or so.. but cannot find anything too relevant for the upcoming stage 2 interviews.. since the stages had been changed a lot this year..

would anyone please kindly share their experiences for stage 2? and maybe how i can prepare for it??

thanks.

Here we go again!
 

How long is it going to take the senior blokes to realise that NO MATTER how hard you tell us your facts about how bad the CDS is it won't stop us.

Everyday you guys (the current CX crew) are constantly being bombarded with Q & As about this course.

Bottom line, we are here to stay and you better accept it!

To one specific pilot who is glad that he is retiring; "bon voyage"
Your negative information will most greatly be forgotten.:=

One more thing. How do you tell a child who lives in a 3rd World country, with no financial aid; has no access to the internet; doesn't have a Mcdonalds or well run grocery store where he can seek employment and try to pay for his/her training(something that some of us have tried but realised that it will take all eternity to fund our own licenses by working at Mcdonalds or some piece job. Learning to be a pilot is DAMN expensive in Europe and most flying clubs offer only PPL, which doesn't give you employment oppotunities) that Cathay Cadet is bad?

Don't tell me because I live in a more economically developed country I will find a way. BECAUSE I haven't, most of us who live in MEDCs have tried everything and have failed. What more a person who lives in a 3rd world country, are you going to tell them to bugger off, if given the opportunity.

They might be better opportunities for us who live in MEDCS, but what about those in a 3rd world country?

Pollution is inevitable and here to stay. It's turning the world into a sewer. Should we call this progress or try to rectify it?

Lowering standards is happening to save costs & line the pockets of the very same people who's task it is to maintain them. Should we call this progress or try to rectify it?

Pilots stabbing other pilots in the back to further their own self interest. Should we call this progress or try to rectify it?

Kids telling their seniors in age, knowledge, experience & credentials offering the facts about the job they seek to p!ss off & retire because you don't want to hear it? Should we call this progress or try to rectify it?

Would a kid in a third world country crap on his own village, culture & completely disrespect the elders? (Metaphor: see if you can work it out).

Slots, you appear to be right. You are here to stay. You haven't "won". The immoral, greedy management using you have. Should we call this progress or try to rectify it?

aile stryker
so I take it you passed your stage 1 then? :DCongrats! When was it?

Was it really just:
1-multiple choice technical questions
and
2 - interview including technical and personal questions?

CX stage 1 interview
 

Any one in this thread who has been invited for stage 1 interview in Jo'berg South Africa on August?

Re: Dieselengine
 

Thanks man, yeah, i passed my Stage 1. I did it on June 28 and they got back to me about 2 weeks later and invited me to do the ICAO test.. and it had since been another 2 weeks again. The assessor told me i'm a solid 5, borderline 6 so i'm not worried about that.

Stage 1 is in 4 parts:

Multiple choice - based on JKI booklet mainly, but there are bits that are PPL knowledge and general planes knowledge and CX company information.

Personality test - computer test asking you to rank your preferences

Reasoning test - IQ test in my opinion, same as all other bros and sis says, it's the Raven's Progressive Matrices.

Interview - HR and Technical. The technical part can get a little tough. They probably want to see to wat extent you know. Of course it depends on your level too. if you have PPL, they'd expect u to know a lot more than someone without a PPL.

aile striker
appreciate that man, very detailed, useful stuff!
finally some on topic stuff. Looks like we just doublehandedly (yep, its an actual word) returned this forum to what it should all be about - getting ready for a cadet pilot programm.:)

1)that JKI booklet, It sounds pretty important, where should I look for it?
2)by PPL do you mean people, as in people knowledge? or commercial pilot stuff knowledge?
3)sound like there was no math anywhere there, at least so far
4)how was that medical form you have to fill out, was that pretty in depth?:ooh:

Diesel,

The JKI booklet is the job knowledge interview booklet. If you get invited to a stage 1 interview, they will send you this booklet via email approximately 2 weeks prior the interview. It is 60 pages of flying basics.

PPL = Private Pilots License. The information in the JKI booklet is at about this level of understanding.

The medical form is fairly basic and not at all in depth. From what i have read, the really in-depth stuff is to be expected in HK where you undergo a comprehensive medical assessment.


If you are serious about wanting to become a cadet, i suggest you read this thread from the absolute beginning. It will take a few days, but will answer your questions. For anyone else interested, don't take the comments of the detractors in this thread too seriously. Take the time to do some research of your own and you'll find that while the cadetship isn't the greatest offer going, it certainly isn't the worst either. Having spoken with a few existing S/O's who have been through the cadetship (on worse T's&C's), they all agree that it is quite manageable, so long as you don't have high expectations.

Just make sure you know what you are getting yourselves into.

Best of luck.

Dieselengine:

1) they send you the JKI booklet when you are invited for the interview.
2) as stevop21 says, you should know this man.. it's private pilot license level knowledge
3) no maths until Stage 2 as far as i know
4) the medical form was pretty simple, just about your eyes, whether u had any operations or stayed in hospital for any reasons after birth, medication, etc.

I wonder if there's anyone brothers out here who did Stage 2 recently and could share what they had to do. Please offer some guidance if there is anyone out there..

Hi all,

I'd appreciate some help as I am a bit confused. I'm an experienced ex-military pilot and I applied to Cathay for a F/O post. As we all know they aren't recruiting F/Os so I went back into my application and ticked the S/O box too. I got an email the other day saying:

This was the first time I have heard back from Cathay so I am very confused by the word FINAL having not had any other interview. Is this normal? What have I missed? and what stage is the interview that I will have i.e. stage 2 etc as discussed on this thread. Is it normal to be invited to HK and they appear to willing to pay for my wife and I to fly to HK for 4 days.

All the best to everyone.

stevop21

Dude, its been 12 years since I've last heard of a private pilot's license!

Don't disrespect the elders :=
Don't stress, you'll forget what PPL stands for after you had your ATP for a few years too :{

They are so desperate for Short course pilots (4-12wks) that they want you as quickly as possible. They are severly lacking in applicants for this course due to the poor conditions of service vs experience, while the 60wk course with 0 experience gets thousands.

Has anybody from the UK recently been informed of dates for their stage 2 interview? I had my first interview last month and was informed around 3 weeks later that I had been successful to stage 2 and would be informed of an exact date in due course. This was almost 4 weeks ago now though just wondering if anybody else had the same email and has any idea of when the stage 2 interview will be?

Cheers

Anyone here invited for the first stage in Amsterdam?

stage 2/3
 

aile_striker, check your PM mate ;)