buy yourself a 737 job in HK!!
Check this out.
July 12, 2006 AMERICAN SUPPORT GROUP (B737-800 Captains & First Officers - Hong Kong based) Tel: ++31515577474 Email: Click here to Apply Web Site: http://www.asg-jet.com All people interetsed and be warned the American Support Group has ripped off many pilots by taking the money and not getting people the jobs. They will overcharge you for the rating. The company is run by a dutch crook!! |
Unfortunately Peak Tram Driver is right. And I must say I was very supprised to see this guy in Honkers a month ago. He has ripped off dozens of pilots fresh out of flying school.
|
HKCAD will not provide a license conversion without the sufficent flight experience.
|
Interesting
Please give details... These schemes are too tempting for too many people. If anyone knows anything I think it should be said here soothers will be aware. I saw their ad this morning on climbto350.com and here is the thread about them What a surprise:hmm: |
dyermaker
Coz they dont know hes a crook!!! :{
Aussie |
just the fact that the opening page is jam-packed with grammatical errors is in itself a cause for alarm!
|
What is the best way of throwing your $$$ away???
This scam is !!!
To everybody, you have just been warned by somebody with previous experience in this coldhearted scam. Stay clear of this guy, this is not an agency you are getting involved with, this is somebody who knows nothing about aviation, is not involved in aviation in any way, shape or form, on the other hand,you will be dealing with somebody that might know somebody in Honk Kong on a personal level ( one of his kid pilots ) and not on a professional level at all. If your aviation career has any meaning to you, you will not even consider this path, no matter how attractive it might sound to you. The contract you will ultimately be signing will not be worth the paper it is written on. I see things aren't going as good as they use to in the past, in the US, thanks to the FAA finally catching up with the companies involved in this scam, now I see he is reverting attention to different parts of the world where there might be loop holes in existance that he can exploit further. Do not spend a single cent on this deal, you are going to regret it later. Happy flying to all ... |
Thanks for the warning dude
But how does this guy operate? I used to know one guy in Paris who ripped off dozens of wannabees and believe me they lost tens of thousands of euros...I could have been one of them but I ended up being smarter than him (with no arrogance at all) thanks to some old relfexes of never paying upfront ...which gives you a chance of reducing potential loss and screw the guy in return. I'm gonna email him and see what's up with his programme so everyone knows. If others among PPruners have info, please share. Cheers |
Thanks guys. i must say it seemed very inviting. People like this should not be allowed to operate in aviation. They make me sick. Maybe it's time for a watchdog!!!
SL |
Boys and girls, I don't know of this guy, but trust me (deep throat knows and so does the Peak Driver) CR Airways, the only operator of 737-800's in Hong Kong DO NOT require a type rating to get hired. CR airways will pay for your training. As stated above, the HK CAD will not recognise a type rating without base training, ie, circuits in the actual airplane. Save your dollars, CR is not dealing with this guy.:yuk: :mad:
As a side note, if you have a type rating but have not flown the aircraft in the last year, HK CAD require a full type rating course, how much fun would that be!!?!?:rolleyes: :ugh: |
Okay guyz, actually I didn't even need to email or contact ASG, an Italian Pilot I know just wrte me this:
"ASG is working with an airline in Hong Kong to bring them type rated pilots. These pilots will first go through a slection process on the sim at Lufthansa. If selected, Pilots will go through a training course: MCC + Type Rating + Line Training. COsts? at least 40,000 euros not including housing and other fees. The exact price should be determined soon. In return candidates will be guaranteed a job with the HK carrier. This scheme should not be compared with eaglejet who make you pay for everything with no job guarantee" This looks tricky. As others said it above, the only carrier using the b738 is CR Ariways and they don't make you pay for the type rating and surely not the line training. And 40,000 euros for training only? Not covering other expenses, not even housing is bit :mad: :mad: :mad: :ugh: . I hope this helps. Just my two cents... |
It's not CR. Besides a B737 type can be bought in the USA for $8000 or so.
What is the 40K for? SCAM... Stay away. CR has hired guys off Turboprops and given them types. There is no need to pay for your own. |
"Not CR"...my bad :sad:
|
Looks like a con job .. better stay away. I may not have much experience in aviation but buying for a job .. hmmmmm sounds funny. just my 2 cents :)
|
Anybody hired by CR flying the B737 now???
From what I know, CR is operating their B737 under wet lease from Hainan airlines. For sure they will hire their own pilots eventually as the regulations required from CAD, however, when will that be? Any insiders are willing to tell the whole story? |
Tales from the inside (deepthroat lives). The wetlease 737 from Hainan goes back very soon, CR has its first barbie jet here now operating with its own crews. Second 73 arrives next week, 6 by years end. Most of the CRJ200 guys/girls have completed conversion courses, lots of hiring going on with new pilots arriving all the time. The company is looking for type rated pilots (read experienced on type) to cover the training timeline delays with non typed pilots. Lots of high time turbo prop guys on yes letters awaiting course dates. Contract is getting better in order to attact quality pilots, a shortage is always a good thing:E :ok:
To reiterate the theme of this thread, CR airways is NOT employing ASG in ANY respect. I believe it to be a scam and urge anyone considering it to avoid this individual. Nosey |
Application and procedure First Officer B737-800
First of all thank you for responding. We have received many applications from all over the world with a very various experience of pilots. As stated in the add pilots have to pay for the typerating if they do not have a current typerating 737-800. Of course you have the next question how much will it be and what is the guarantee I will have a job after I invested my time and money. I agree completely, for that reason, before you start the training and make any payment or commitment, you will have a letter of employment from the company to secure your job after completion of training. Procedure is after you have been reading this additional information and you think this is a great opportunity for you to get your career going please respond and you will receive the application forms from company and CAD. After you have completed these forms sent them back to my office and I will sent them all together to the company for a first review by the Chief Pilot. He will make the first decisions and will inform me which pilot can proceed and which pilot we do not consider as an applicant. After that you will be invited for the interviews and probably a sim session at the trainingcenter. Also at that point you will receive a letter of employment if and when you pass the interview and sim-session and your training will start immediately after that for the typerating. Costs involved: AS I have to deal with different kind of pilots and experience we cannot give you an exact amount. Full typerating is Euro 20.000 and MCC course is Euro 5.000 in addition to this other expenses have to be paid for. A pilot who only has completed his flight training the amount will be for the typerating and other expenses Euro 40.000,-, sim session for interview included. However the sim-session has to be paid if you would not pass this, by the pilot, exact amount is known before your arrival. We do the training for the typerating with Lufthansa training center in Frankfurt. Training has to be approved by the company and CAD and currently we are working on that. Also be aware you need to have completed your MCC course prior to the training for the typerating. This is also a requirement from the company and CAD. Pilots who have a typerating on the 737-200 for example need an upgrade and the amount is depending on experience of the pilot so I cannot give you an exact amount at this point but you will have it prior to you start. Also pilots with jet experience but no experience in type will have a different amount to be paid. On top of that all pilots have to convert the licenses into Hongkong licenses and you also have to do the line training. We are looking for long term employment and company rule is that all captains are from inside upgrade as soon as we have qualified first officers ready for upgrade. For now we need direct entry captains but will change that as soon as possible. First officers who start now will be able to get an upgrade within 3 years from now and some, depending on their previous experience even much earlier. This also makes your investment worth it. We know we are talking about a large investment for pilots but on the other hand we also know that you will probably not be able to have a captain position on a 737-800 within a reasonable timeframe. If and when you feel you should be part of this opportunity please let me know and I will sent you the application forms to be completed and returned. This part will not cost you anything and it even might help you with further applications in the future if you would not join this after all, at least you get some experience in applying for a job. First officers who have a current typerating only have to pay the recruitment fee which is an amount in once. Of course you will also have full information prior to your training about salary and other benefits in order to be able to make your final decsion based on costs and income. Regards No Comments:hmm: Big Fat Clemenza |
Big boy and I are on the same page re:ASG. There are so many untruths in the letter posted above, anyone considering this needs their head read. I think most who have followed or read this thread would be clued up and avoid this obvious scam, but I wonder/worry about others who have not had the opportunity to be so educated about ASG. Please feel free to copy the information I have posted above and this rebuttal and give it to anyone considering this scam, it would warm the cockles of my heart to burn a scam artist playing on the desperation of a fellow pilot.
Rebuttal: "As stated in the add pilots have to pay for the typerating if they do not have a current typerating 737-800"This is completely untrue, CR Airways is paying for your type rating, accomodation and transport to and from Hk to the training centre, a per diem, and also half salary whilst under training. After that you will be invited for the interviews and probably a sim session at the trainingcenter. Also at that point you will receive a letter of employment if and when you pass the interview and sim-session and your training will start immediately after that for the typerating Interviews are being conducted now, there are NO sim assesments being conducted. AS I have to deal with different kind of pilots and experience we cannot give you an exact amount. Full typerating is Euro 20.000 and MCC course is Euro 5.000 in addition to this other expenses have to be paid for. A pilot who only has completed his flight training the amount will be for the typerating and other expenses Euro 40.000,-, sim session for interview included. However the sim-session has to be paid if you would not pass this, by the pilot, exact amount is known before your arrival. See above! We do the training for the typerating with Lufthansa training center in Frankfurt. Training has to be approved by the company and CAD and currently we are working on that. The ONLY 2 Alteon training centres approved by the Hong Kong CAD are Brisbane, Australia and Seoul, Korea. The company has no plans to get any other facilites approved, as it means a junket for the CAD to do so. Also be aware you need to have completed your MCC course prior to the training for the typerating. This is also a requirement from the company and CAD. Pilots who have a typerating on the 737-200 for example need an upgrade and the amount is depending on experience of the pilot There is NO requirement from CAD or CR airways for any pilot to complete an MCC course. Pilots who have flown any variant of the 737, be it 200 series or even 300/400/500/600 must complete a full type rating on the 800/NG series. Also pilots with jet experience but no experience in type will have a different amount to be paid. Absolute rubbish. A type rating costs the same totally irrespective of hours. Of course you will also have full information prior to your training about salary and other benefits in order to be able to make your final decsion based on costs and income. If anyone has actually contacted this guy, please let me know what he says CR are offering, I would be interested to know. Pass it on to your mates or anyone you hear talking about this, its time to stamp on these lowlifes, and hard. Nosey Big boy, check your pms. |
THIS IS ABSOLUTLY FALSE.
1) HKCAD only allow sims to be done in BNE and ICN for the 738. 2) You need a HKD licence (which you get from CR), NOT JAR 3) CR pays it all. This ASG dude is scamming. Do not fall for it. |
MCC is a JAR requirement and not required for a HK licence.
CR need to issue a statement distancing themselves regarding this organisation, soon after followed by legal action! |
NG!
I did check my PM's thanx. One prospective candidate to ASG: " As a FAA CPL holder, i do not need to undergo an MCC course (it is not required by the FAA) or take the course at an apporved JAA facility such as Lufthansa.I can provide my own B737-800 Type Rating before applying for this position, would I still need to pay €40000? or will Ihave a reduced price? Thanks for your answer" ASG's Answer? " There is a difference between flying in the US and elsewhere. Company wants the pilots to have the MCC (Multi Crew Coordination course completed). Also the trainingcenter does not want to type you if you do not have the MCC course completed. Sure I also know a lot of training facilities where you can get your typerating. However CAD (Hongkong Civil Aviation Authorities have to recognize the trainingfacility prior to you can take the typerating otherwise they do not accept it on your Hongkong licenses and you cannot fly. Some captains that are responding have to hand over the full training documents on order to get it on the Hongkong licenses and even some have to pass a short exam if they are missing an item the CAD wants to have on the record. Sorry for this but it is as it is and company makes the rules and we only can follow them or leave it for what it is. regards" Still no comments:hmm: Big Fat Clemenza |
Not sure what aother commments there are to give.
The HKG CAD will required any candidate to submit a heap of paper work to get there 528 excemption for ANY airline.. IE CX , kA, CR.. The Only approved B738 training centres air BNE and ICN. NOT LH. The guy is full of Sh*t.. It's like trying to argue the sky is pink.. The guy can keep saying it's pink as much as he wants.. it's simply not true. |
Urgh... not this guy again..
I almost got suckered into ASG when I was a newbie... They were pushing for the 'hard sell' everytime I emailed and spoke to them.. They can smell the scent of newbie... much like a shark smells blood... a mile away... |
Very Suspect
I rang this guy this afternoon. (About 09:20AM his time) I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt and hear what he had to say.
He answered the phone as if I woke him up. He didn’t identify himself. (Company or Person) He asked for my experience out-line, which I gave. He wanted me to send my resume. However I said I wanted some basic details like Pay & Conditions, & the Operator involved first. He said, “It doesn’t work like that”. When I required some info / any info, he shouted, “your wasting my time” and hung up in my ear. ALL OTHER RECRUITMENT AGENTS GIVE YOU (even advertise) Pay & Conditions, & the Operator involved. :* |
Otto
You're toast |
I think I'd actaully start to see the logic behind this kind of operation all I need to do now is find an airline who might actively be looking for nice stewardesses...
The relevant CAD and company require a bikini contest, wet t-shirt race and a phone number :E: |
CR - No Agents
Nose Gear is right on the money.
CR have no relationship with any Pilot agency...Unless some manager is moonlighting:} |
In defense to ASG, the job will NOT be in CR airlines.
It is a different airline in HK. Maybe this people are f****!, but you guys get informed first uh! I almost forgot...... this HK company DOES require an approved MCC!!!!!! it is on their webpage. |
which airline is it then?
|
maybe otto will inform you, as he did to me.
the thing is I am not with otto, because on the airline´s website, you can see that they are taking F-O´s with 2000TT and MCC, and these lucky pilots will get the type rating for free, not paying a dollar. It is very unfair, that paying they will lower the minimuns. Oh, aviation is like hell, isn´t it? |
There isn't any other airlines operate B737NG other than CR and HKE in HK.
|
Quite evident, dear Watson, if it is not black, it is white.......
:-) the heat is driving me mad, heat plus pilot job applications online, oh dear! |
Ok bait taken. I will admit I was entertaining going for thid and have indeed sent my details.
The airline is Hong Kong Express. I smelled a rat some time ago, reason being that on an Australian website HKE are advertising themselves, they do want an MCC and it is for the 737-800. My imediate thought was that they dont mention paying for a type rating. I will try applying direct see what happens. Apparently the interview will invole guys coming out from HK to Germany and a sim ride also, could be worth going to the sim just for the experience. Thanks guys glad I have this info now.:D |
u're welcome
|
This is what I wrote to him:
So your into Hong Kong now for the 737.....Don't worry we all know how much of a scam artist you are!!!! We will all post on Avcanada, Climbto350 and PPrune about your scaming ways! You are a crook, F**k off. Cheers! His Response: Well at least you could not join in 2000 and still have the same attitude. Just have fun, still not flying?? I guess no time as you only can waste time. Further on same to you. Oh by the way you know anything about law suits for scam?????? I almost got suckered into his scam a few years ago. I was interested but did not have the money he wanted. Anyway I wrote him back and we shall see what he says. Unfortunately, he will scam some young ones who do not know any better. All it takes is a few years of hard work to get your career off the ground! He is praying on the ones who want it now!!!! Cheers |
Man I'm impressed:ok:
|
Hi everybody,
Just a report from me: I did ASG jet program. My experience is: a good program to get your (jet) hours. In one year I flew in the USA almost 800 hours in a Learjet 25D. One of the best times in my life! I flew daily to beautiful places in the Caribbean and USA. I have a great job in st. Maarten right now thanks to ASG! One of my friends is doing the B737 program with ASG, right now he hasn’t heard anything yet. So all the people who say bad things about ASG….. have you experienced it yourself?? Otto did with me only good things. PM me if you want more information. |
Very interesting to see that your first post is on such a subjects as defending c people as Mr Otto V who least said have a bad reputation. First question comes to mind is this perhaps Otto himself or does this dude don't want his friends to know he's doing this.
There are several stories out in the open of people washing Learjets for over a year without getting a single hour on the plane...This happened to an old friend of mine as well. And there have been enough articles in his homeland about this guy unfortunately these are in Dutch and not suitable to post on an English Board. Doing a quick background check (chamber of commerce) and I must admit I couldn't find any company at the address of his website. |
Friendship
First post eh. I personally would take the word over someone who has had a bad experience with an organisation over someone who appears a mole. By the way tone down the font. It gives me a headache.:ugh: |
Makes me wonders why there is no Chamber of Commerce number on his site couldn't find his company either on the database in Chamber of Commerce (in Holland) Is this because he wants to evade income tax as well.
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 12:03. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.