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buy yourself a 737 job in HK!!

Old 12th Jul 2006, 15:02
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buy yourself a 737 job in HK!!

Check this out.
July 12, 2006
AMERICAN SUPPORT GROUP (B737-800 Captains & First Officers - Hong Kong based)

Tel: ++31515577474

Email: Click here to Apply
Web Site: http://www.asg-jet.com

All people interetsed and be warned the American Support Group has ripped off many pilots by taking the money and not getting people the jobs. They will overcharge you for the rating. The company is run by a dutch crook!!
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Old 12th Jul 2006, 15:16
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Unfortunately Peak Tram Driver is right. And I must say I was very supprised to see this guy in Honkers a month ago. He has ripped off dozens of pilots fresh out of flying school.
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Old 12th Jul 2006, 16:10
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HKCAD will not provide a license conversion without the sufficent flight experience.
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Old 12th Jul 2006, 16:44
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Interesting

Please give details... These schemes are too tempting for too many people. If anyone knows anything I think it should be said here soothers will be aware. I saw their ad this morning on climbto350.com and here is the thread about them What a surprise

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Old 13th Jul 2006, 00:29
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dyermaker

Coz they dont know hes a crook!!!

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Old 13th Jul 2006, 04:40
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just the fact that the opening page is jam-packed with grammatical errors is in itself a cause for alarm!
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Old 13th Jul 2006, 05:28
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Devil What is the best way of throwing your $$$ away???

This scam is !!!

To everybody, you have just been warned by somebody with previous experience in this coldhearted scam.
Stay clear of this guy, this is not an agency you are getting involved with, this is somebody who knows nothing about aviation, is not involved in aviation in any way, shape or form, on the other hand,you will be dealing with somebody that might know somebody in Honk Kong on a personal level ( one of his kid pilots ) and not on a professional level at all.
If your aviation career has any meaning to you, you will not even consider this path, no matter how attractive it might sound to you.
The contract you will ultimately be signing will not be worth the paper it is written on.

I see things aren't going as good as they use to in the past, in the US, thanks to the FAA finally catching up with the companies involved in this scam, now I see he is reverting attention to different parts of the world where there might be loop holes in existance that he can exploit further.

Do not spend a single cent on this deal, you are going to regret it later.

Happy flying to all ...
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Old 13th Jul 2006, 12:07
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Thanks for the warning dude

But how does this guy operate? I used to know one guy in Paris who ripped off dozens of wannabees and believe me they lost tens of thousands of euros...I could have been one of them but I ended up being smarter than him (with no arrogance at all) thanks to some old relfexes of never paying upfront ...which gives you a chance of reducing potential loss and screw the guy in return.

I'm gonna email him and see what's up with his programme so everyone knows.

If others among PPruners have info, please share.

Cheers

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Old 13th Jul 2006, 13:28
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Grrr

Thanks guys. i must say it seemed very inviting. People like this should not be allowed to operate in aviation. They make me sick. Maybe it's time for a watchdog!!!

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Old 13th Jul 2006, 13:44
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Boys and girls, I don't know of this guy, but trust me (deep throat knows and so does the Peak Driver) CR Airways, the only operator of 737-800's in Hong Kong DO NOT require a type rating to get hired. CR airways will pay for your training. As stated above, the HK CAD will not recognise a type rating without base training, ie, circuits in the actual airplane. Save your dollars, CR is not dealing with this guy.
As a side note, if you have a type rating but have not flown the aircraft in the last year, HK CAD require a full type rating course, how much fun would that be!!?!?
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Old 15th Jul 2006, 12:30
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Okay guyz, actually I didn't even need to email or contact ASG, an Italian Pilot I know just wrte me this:

"ASG is working with an airline in Hong Kong to bring them type rated pilots. These pilots will first go through a slection process on the sim at Lufthansa. If selected, Pilots will go through a training course: MCC + Type Rating + Line Training. COsts? at least 40,000 euros not including housing and other fees. The exact price should be determined soon.

In return candidates will be guaranteed a job with the HK carrier. This scheme should not be compared with eaglejet who make you pay for everything with no job guarantee"

This looks tricky. As others said it above, the only carrier using the b738 is CR Ariways and they don't make you pay for the type rating and surely not the line training. And 40,000 euros for training only? Not covering other expenses, not even housing is bit .

I hope this helps. Just my two cents...
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Old 15th Jul 2006, 13:20
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It's not CR. Besides a B737 type can be bought in the USA for $8000 or so.

What is the 40K for?

SCAM... Stay away.


CR has hired guys off Turboprops and given them types. There is no need to pay for your own.
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Old 15th Jul 2006, 14:13
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"Not CR"...my bad
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Old 15th Jul 2006, 20:01
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Looks like a con job .. better stay away. I may not have much experience in aviation but buying for a job .. hmmmmm sounds funny. just my 2 cents
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 12:01
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Anybody hired by CR flying the B737 now???

From what I know, CR is operating their B737 under wet lease from Hainan airlines. For sure they will hire their own pilots eventually as the regulations required from CAD, however, when will that be?

Any insiders are willing to tell the whole story?
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 14:07
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Tales from the inside (deepthroat lives). The wetlease 737 from Hainan goes back very soon, CR has its first barbie jet here now operating with its own crews. Second 73 arrives next week, 6 by years end. Most of the CRJ200 guys/girls have completed conversion courses, lots of hiring going on with new pilots arriving all the time. The company is looking for type rated pilots (read experienced on type) to cover the training timeline delays with non typed pilots. Lots of high time turbo prop guys on yes letters awaiting course dates. Contract is getting better in order to attact quality pilots, a shortage is always a good thing
To reiterate the theme of this thread, CR airways is NOT employing ASG in ANY respect. I believe it to be a scam and urge anyone considering it to avoid this individual.
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Old 17th Jul 2006, 17:53
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Application and procedure First Officer B737-800

First of all thank you for responding.
We have received many applications from all over the world with a very various experience of pilots.
As stated in the add pilots have to pay for the typerating if they do not have a current typerating 737-800.
Of course you have the next question how much will it be and what is the guarantee I will have a job after I invested my time and money.
I agree completely, for that reason, before you start the training and make any payment or commitment, you will have a letter of employment from the company to secure your job after completion of training.
Procedure is after you have been reading this additional information and you think this is a great opportunity for you to get your career going please respond and you will receive the application forms from company and CAD.
After you have completed these forms sent them back to my office and I will sent them all together to the company for a first review by the Chief Pilot.
He will make the first decisions and will inform me which pilot can proceed and which pilot we do not consider as an applicant.
After that you will be invited for the interviews and probably a sim session at the trainingcenter. Also at that point you will receive a letter of employment if and when you pass the interview and sim-session and your training will start immediately after that for the typerating.
Costs involved:
AS I have to deal with different kind of pilots and experience we cannot give you an exact amount. Full typerating is Euro 20.000 and MCC course is Euro 5.000 in addition to this other expenses have to be paid for.
A pilot who only has completed his flight training the amount will be for the typerating and other expenses Euro 40.000,-, sim session for interview included.
However the sim-session has to be paid if you would not pass this, by the pilot, exact amount is known before your arrival.
We do the training for the typerating with Lufthansa training center in Frankfurt. Training has to be approved by the company and CAD and currently we are working on that.
Also be aware you need to have completed your MCC course prior to the training for the typerating. This is also a requirement from the company and CAD. Pilots who have a typerating on the 737-200 for example need an upgrade and the amount is depending on experience of the pilot so I cannot give you an exact amount at this point but you will have it prior to you start. Also pilots with jet experience but no experience in type will have a different amount to be paid. On top of that all pilots have to convert the licenses into Hongkong licenses and you also have to do the line training.
We are looking for long term employment and company rule is that all captains are from inside upgrade as soon as we have qualified first officers ready for upgrade. For now we need direct entry captains but will change that as soon as possible. First officers who start now will be able to get an upgrade within 3 years from now and some, depending on their previous experience even much earlier. This also makes your investment worth it.
We know we are talking about a large investment for pilots but on the other hand we also know that you will probably not be able to have a captain position on a 737-800 within a reasonable timeframe.
If and when you feel you should be part of this opportunity please let me know and I will sent you the application forms to be completed and returned.
This part will not cost you anything and it even might help you with further applications in the future if you would not join this after all, at least you get some experience in applying for a job.
First officers who have a current typerating only have to pay the recruitment fee which is an amount in once.
Of course you will also have full information prior to your training about salary and other benefits in order to be able to make your final decsion based on costs and income.
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Old 18th Jul 2006, 03:21
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Big boy and I are on the same page re:ASG. There are so many untruths in the letter posted above, anyone considering this needs their head read. I think most who have followed or read this thread would be clued up and avoid this obvious scam, but I wonder/worry about others who have not had the opportunity to be so educated about ASG. Please feel free to copy the information I have posted above and this rebuttal and give it to anyone considering this scam, it would warm the cockles of my heart to burn a scam artist playing on the desperation of a fellow pilot.
Rebuttal:
"As stated in the add pilots have to pay for the typerating if they do not have a current typerating 737-800"This is completely untrue, CR Airways is paying for your type rating, accomodation and transport to and from Hk to the training centre, a per diem, and also half salary whilst under training.
After that you will be invited for the interviews and probably a sim session at the trainingcenter. Also at that point you will receive a letter of employment if and when you pass the interview and sim-session and your training will start immediately after that for the typerating
Interviews are being conducted now, there are NO sim assesments being conducted.
AS I have to deal with different kind of pilots and experience we cannot give you an exact amount. Full typerating is Euro 20.000 and MCC course is Euro 5.000 in addition to this other expenses have to be paid for.
A pilot who only has completed his flight training the amount will be for the typerating and other expenses Euro 40.000,-, sim session for interview included.
However the sim-session has to be paid if you would not pass this, by the pilot, exact amount is known before your arrival.

See above!
We do the training for the typerating with Lufthansa training center in Frankfurt. Training has to be approved by the company and CAD and currently we are working on that.
The ONLY 2 Alteon training centres approved by the Hong Kong CAD are Brisbane, Australia and Seoul, Korea. The company has no plans to get any other facilites approved, as it means a junket for the CAD to do so.
Also be aware you need to have completed your MCC course prior to the training for the typerating. This is also a requirement from the company and CAD. Pilots who have a typerating on the 737-200 for example need an upgrade and the amount is depending on experience of the pilot
There is NO requirement from CAD or CR airways for any pilot to complete an MCC course. Pilots who have flown any variant of the 737, be it 200 series or even 300/400/500/600 must complete a full type rating on the 800/NG series.
Also pilots with jet experience but no experience in type will have a different amount to be paid.
Absolute rubbish. A type rating costs the same totally irrespective of hours.
Of course you will also have full information prior to your training about salary and other benefits in order to be able to make your final decsion based on costs and income.
If anyone has actually contacted this guy, please let me know what he says CR are offering, I would be interested to know.
Pass it on to your mates or anyone you hear talking about this, its time to stamp on these lowlifes, and hard.
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Old 18th Jul 2006, 05:12
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THIS IS ABSOLUTLY FALSE.

1) HKCAD only allow sims to be done in BNE and ICN for the 738.
2) You need a HKD licence (which you get from CR), NOT JAR
3) CR pays it all.


This ASG dude is scamming. Do not fall for it.
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Old 18th Jul 2006, 06:35
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MCC is a JAR requirement and not required for a HK licence.

CR need to issue a statement distancing themselves regarding this organisation, soon after followed by legal action!

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