Long story short:

The operation in the States is not anymore. Some people particularly at the end got the very bad end of it; the fact that they didn't get reimbursed for services not rendered is a total disgrace and whoever is responsible for that I'm sure feels pretty bad about it (..or maybe not ).
Now,for a good amount of years most of the people DID fly the amount of hours promised, in a pretty demanding environment, flying pretty demanding planes; dealing with extremely nice, not so nice, and pretty screwed up people. During those years, whoever didn't fly, didn't fly because ( maybe deservedly ) expected things to be easier, and didn't pester the appropiate people enough, in order to get to fly the proper amount of time.
So, I wouldn't recommend anybody one way or the other, regarding this new HK deal; as I didn't years ago when anybody would ask me, because I didn't want anybody to come blame me for anything that could happen later on.
Cheers.

long story short, this is a con job. do not fall for it. there is no such thing as a middle man or agency is dealing with any HK carrier.

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Article is in Dutch....
Source: http://www.airwork.nl/bulletinboard/...ead.php?t=4966 User: Tailstrike

Sorry no translation available... Basically the article says it's a scam...

Scam to me
 

I can't comment on ASG per se, although where there is smoke, there is generally a fire. I have been scammed by a complete arse earlier on in my career, and I have a deep seated urge to get rid of these parasites on a community as wonderful as aviation.
Freindship, you've got NO :mad: idea mate. There is no carrier in Hong Kong that has signed up to do business with this guy. I have many freinds in Hong Kong Express, who are getting 737s early next year, and they have stated they have no connection whatsoever with Otto or ASG. And CR airways, without giving away too much, definately has no connection with this scam artist. Trust me on that. I know.
You are so obviously Otto V its really quite childish and condescending to see you continue to try and pull the wool over our eyes. Go back into the hole you crawled out of. :rolleyes:

Nose gear, i agree with you. my friends in HK told me the excact same thing where there is no such or any agency is dealing with any middle man. But I would say lastly, decision is up to the hands of individual and for those who are not taking advise from the people here so let it be and let them find out themselves and i hope it's not too late by then. good luck to those who have taken up the program.

It's to bad the Article Kerropi links to in Dutch but the main points are as I stated earlier as "Facts about ASG". I don't think it's necessary to translate the three page article written by a respectable (news) magazine.

<Sarcastic mode on>If people still think they have to do business with a person as Otto V. please mail me your credit cards details for the poor pilot fund.</Sarcastic mode off>

flightbitch..

Your comments true or otherwise, still do not address the fact there are NO B737-800 jobs for SALE in HKG..

NONE. 0 NADA..

Otto is advertsing something that simply isn't so. That is a scam.

name the b@stard
 

Ok all.. It is OTTO VELLINGA (spell check but not too far off I think)

The guy has been in European papers years ago for INDEED SCAMMING young inexperienced pilots.

As pointed out before, the lear program he did was one where you paid a sh!t load of dosh and ended up as a gear/flap operator in a SINGLE PILOT CERTIFIED old banger of a Lear. "This flight is sponsored by your co-pilot"

Please PLEASE stay clear of this guy and one more thing... If anyone spots him in HKG... Let me know, I do have some friends who would love to show him the sightsss....

Again, (sorry mod's) it is OTTO VELLINGA..........

Cheers.....

DUDE>

THERE ARE NO JOBS> I can promise you this. NONE.

Not with CR or HKE.

It doesn't exist. and that's a scam

One company's GM of flying has personally replied to this thread.

SCAM SCAM SCAM

just let it be then aaiguy, just let those who still don't believe that is a scam let them stick their heads in and regret later.

Flying B. I can not belive you can not appreciate what these guys are trying to do here. Maybe they are frustrated, but hey full credit to them for trying to help others avoid the same trap. Maybe things worked out for you....good. But hey even you state that "some did not make it" Well old son "some" is way to much. How can you endorse a program in which you pay a hell of a lot of money but you could be one of the "some" that dont make it? Not good enough. You might as well pay a bit more and go to a reputable f/o entry program.

Personaly I [applaude] these guys who are trying to help others. Just take a look at what you are saying mate, your getting all worked up and attacking a username on a computer screen, that is in effect what you are doing. Now you may say coastrider26 is doing the same thing but not so, you made a personal attack on the person behind the name. Take a chill pill dude.

Coastrider and others thanks, I say it again I was showing interest in this program and if I had been ripped off it would have ruined me.:D

flightbitch. Lets get one thing straight here man. I am not looking to upset you. But you have to admit you are getting quite upset at the comments here. You say these guys have a motivation to trash this program. Well you must also have a motive for defending it so how shall we say? Enthusiasticaly.

To answer your questions about where are the people that got ripped off. Well right here it would seem. I just cant imagine these type of allegations being made if they were totally untrue. Now if they are not true, lets see some figures as to the %age of "graduates" that have gone on to jobs with this company. If these assertions are not true then the gentleman in question could well consider legal action of his own. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle...I dont know. Hey if he ever comes back to me with an offer and it is all legit and is backed and guraunteed by the airline, who knows. Facts are when I spoke to him he was very enthusiastic about the whole thing and said I would have a job for sure etc etc. But He has not come back to me in weeks. But hearing stories like the ones above doesnt make me want to jump at the opportunity.

Cheers man

:D :D :D FLIGHTBITCH :D :D :D
No comments anymore!!!

Good luck to you all

As before
 

Friendship/flightbitch, I imagine your one and the same person, the mods can easily check that one.:hmm:

You've certainly made some very vitriolic comments, and as helldog pointed out, I can't help but wonder why your getting your knickers in such a twist over comments made about someone else and the scam they are trying to pull on fellow pilots?

The facts are this, there are NO 737 jobs to be bought in Hong Kong, so if Mr O.V. is trying to get money out of pilots for said jobs, then that equals a scam. I personally think "flightbitch", a galling name, should apologize to Coastrider and the other ppruners here for such foul language that more belongs in the gutter than on the pages of this forum. I think it shows a total lack of professionalism on your part, and certainly lends a rather indepth insight into your personality Mr O V.

Nosey

Does anybody know why my last post(s) was deleted was it because I used the word criminal?? Or was it simply because of my nickname for flyingbitch?? If so I'm more than happy to edit the content.

In short the facts we know so far:

- Otto V. & his late wife both ran a social welfare scam source for this information is the Nieuwe Revu article as published above and Mr v. never approached this magazine to have it rectified.

- ASG(-JET) Is based in the U.S. and all contracts between ASG and students are "American" contracts.
Flyingb!tch says he/she has copies of a verdict by Supreme court in Amsterdam that ASG(-JET) did nothing wrong. Why would a Dutch court even touch a case like this based on US Laws

- Otto V. ripped a number of pilots off

- All posts defending mr V. had less than 5 posts total on pprune and showed a lot foul langauge
instead of hard evidence.

- Lufthansa (GECAT) do not require a MCC course to do the 737 rating. However if you want to add a rating to a JAR issued license you do require one.
For the people reading this thread I think you all know what went on so please choose wisely.

- Flyingb!tch got his/her facts wrong most of the time. I.e. number of posts made by people this shows the person in question is not very precise in gathering information.

I'm sure I forgot to mention things I have posted previously but as most people that read them can confirm they we're all pretty long stating hard evidence. But I must admit they also contained some sentences I shouldn't have used this "heated" debate. I think I've made my point and this will be my last post on this subject (for now).

Coastrider26

Hang in there Coastrider.
You were on the right track.
737 jobs do not need to be bought. Available at HKE's and CRs expense.
Anyway
HKE this week in Melbourne (OZ)
CR next week in Kuala Lumpur. [email protected]

sounds cool. wrote to them but no reply :(

Any news from ASG's scam?:E

So far no new (ASG) 737 pilots at HKE

then hope this thread will last as long as ASG will!