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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 1st Apr 2024, 09:46
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Originally Posted by FL3939
Hi guys,

Just curious what are the chances for an AUS national (22yo) with a CASA PPL license to be considered for the CX cadet programme?

Finished all cpl theory and currently in the process of completing atpls. Clocked just over 150hrs in the logbook.

I understood I only need "the right to live and work". But have there been any recent occurrences where CX has fully funded a foreign national?

Any insights are much appreciated.

Clear skies and tailwinds!
I am not a HK / China resident or PR for either of those countries. I applied and got invited for an assessment.

The HR did request for additional documents from my end after I submitted my application though. Who knows?
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Old 1st Apr 2024, 20:50
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Originally Posted by intheblack
I am not a HK / China resident or PR for either of those countries. I applied and got invited for an assessment.

The HR did request for additional documents from my end after I submitted my application though. Who knows?
The following lines are from the assessment email:

Before starting the assessment, you must present one of the following for verification:
  • Hong Kong Permanent ID Card (if applicable)
  • China Resident Identity Card (if applicable)
  • Passport with a valid visa to live and work in Hong Kong (if applicable)
Please note that failure to do so will disqualify you from taking the assessment. 
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Old 2nd Apr 2024, 08:06
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Taxi, Takeoff and Climb

If you’re sitting in the middle seat, it’s expected that you open the Jepps and follow what is going on via a third set of charts. This, of course, would require you to actually know what departure they’re going to fly and what speeds have been briefed. Unfortunately, you were probably tucking in the sheets on the Captains bunk during that part of the briefing. But normally, reclining in the seat behind the captain, just try to keep your eyes open while reminding yourself why you’re even there in the first place.

The last task which may be assigned to you prior to takeoff will be obtaining a new RTOW if any significant weather changes have occurred since they entered the takeoff data at the gate. Now you’ve got to mobilize yourself from complete apathy to vigorous engagement in a matter of seconds, finding the latest ATIS, remembering how the ACARS actually works, and re-enter the data which you haven’t entered since, well - Never. Because the change was not given until just before takeoff, we don’t have a lot of time and the RQ FO steps in to save the day. New thrust figures are subsequently derived, the V speeds fall out and are rapidly reentered, and seconds later the jet rumbles down the runway. As the centerline lights turn from white to alternating reds the aircraft is rotated and the sandwich tray you’ve heroically been trying to finish launches off the back of the desk and hits the wall in a loud crash, while the padding for the escape hatch (744) falls to the floor resulting in a significant rise in cockpit noise during the critical phase of flight. At this point, shrug your shoulders to the RQ and hope that the skipper didn’t have a(nother) heart-attack.

After the takeoff has been completed, it’s not unusual to hear the DEFO ask for flaps up during a turn while accelerating through the clean speed. As a result, expect either strong buffeting or a strong reprimand. The latter is more enjoyable, rest assured.

Once clean (and out of the buffet), ask for the clipboard and start doing the arithmetic of modern aviation. After you’ve added together all the individual leg segments to the departure time, you should be presented with an expected arrival time. Once complete, you’re once again free to relax and enjoy the tranquility of the modern flight deck.


Cruise

At top of climb, you either hit the bunk or climb into the seat for the next X monotonous hours. Once you’re in the seat, you’ll probably be performing the function of PM as you’re getting the worst rest (SO, remember?), and with the captain taking the good rest the only guy left for you to fly with is the poor guy who’s been nominated as RQ. He can only perform RQ from the right, and since you’re not allowed to “fly” the aircraft from the left the only possible outcome entails you doing all the paperwork, radio work, and staying-awake work. Touching the heading bug or pressing the "level change" button is years beyond your qualification level, even though the guy sitting next to you (who only joined about 6 months ago) is "relief command qualified" and should theoretically be capable of protecting you from your own incapable self.

Once you’ve got the seat and pedals adjusted, it’s time to start the paperwork. But not before missing a radio call because you can’t find the microphone since you’ve never actually been in the seat without a headset on. Even if you did, you still don't have a clue as to what the Chinese controller is saying. But not to worry, most don't. Reply “Roger. Maintain FL[XXX]m, report [next FIR border waypoint], estimating [FIR border waypoint] at [xxxx]. That should safely get you through most of China, Mongolia and Russia.

Now, start the paperwork by doing a fuel check, noting the difference between the totalizer/calculated totals and the expected total on the CFP for a certain waypoint. Note the difference on the CFP, and compare this figure to the takeoff fuel. Once every hour, you’ll do a new one. It might be a good idea to mark these off on the CFP so that you don’t forget amongst all the other important things you’ll be doing, but we're confident you'll figure that out all by yourself.

When you’ve managed to ascertain that we’re not going to run out of fuel just yet, it’s time to “put the steps in.” By itself, the FMC will calculate the optimum FL based on the aircrafts current weight and speed, and subsequently display this figure on the VNAV cruise page. However, the “optimum” flight levels stipulated on the CFP are based on aircraft weight, aircraft speed and forecasted winds along the routes. It may not always be smart to step up into a 50kt headwind to save a few kilograms of fuel due to weight. Therefore, you must manually enter the steps as found in the CFP into the FMC. This should update your arrival time to a more correct figure, which is further improved once you’ve entered the expected STAR and approach into the FMC. When the ISM calls up and asks you for the expected arrival time, you’ll hopefully have finished this and be able to provide her with an accurate ETA. Keep in mind that the service schedule onboard is built backwards from the arrival time; screw this up and you’ll be drinking coffee sweetened with saliva and cyanide.

With the initial fuel check being completed, the steps entered and the expected arrival set up, you’re now looking forward to several hours of complete and utter boredom. You are, as a matter of historical tradition, expected to know where the hell you are, for which the Jeppesen enroute charts do wonders. If you ever actually manage to locate yourself on one, get a highlighter and mark the spot, because the chances of doing that twice are next to none. Your best bet for maintaining situational awareness is to print the maps off the route briefing pages on IntraCX, and keep track of the airports listed in the NOTAM list as you progress. Along with the magnitude of information available to you in the AERADs, this should be plenty to keep yourself oriented as you cross Continents and Oceans.

Apart from updating the CFP, there is really nothing else to do. Your trusty RQ will fly the aircraft single-pilot, get all the weather, and make any decisions which may or may not need deciding. You are truly being groomed for the responsibilities that lie ahead. With nobody expecting anything from you, there is no need to deliver.

About halfway through the flight, wake the guys up and creep into a nice, warm bunk.


Descent and Landing

Expect to be awoken from the bunk either by someone shaking your foot at TOD or by your own eardrums popping as the cabin equalizes during the final descent. Exiting the soothing comfort of the dark bunk, you’ll stumble down the stairs into bright daylight still wearing your pyjamas and earplugs. The guys are all wearing sunglasses and configuring for landing as you notice the toiletries have been removed from the bathroom and you can’t find your toothbrush. So you put on your uniform, run water through your face and pop a piece of gum before taking your seat and strapping yourself in as we descend on the glideslope and drop the landing gear. You’ve probably never been to the airport before at this stage, but what does it matter? After touchdown the airplane makes its way off the runway and taxis among all the other jumbos on its way to the gate. You’re still wondering where we are as the aircraft docks and the PF cuts the engines and turns off the seatbelts. Time to work.

“Pass the Charts, Gentlement” is your statement at this stage. Taking over the charts and the mini-jepp, you meticulously place them back in the binder in numerical order, making the extra effort not to put them back into the departure airport. You then unlock the cockpit door before removing all the garbage, magazines, newspapers and water bottles and placing them outside the cockpit. Retrieving your jacket and hat, you exit the cockpit and comb the upper deck for earplugs, toothbrushes and socks to take home as presents for your girlfriend. Once the real pilots have shut down and secured the aircraft, everyonel exits the aircraft in an orderly fashion, making sure to thank all the girls you can’t remember the names of.

Now, get on the bus, check into the hotel and get some sleep, watch some porno and drink plenty of beer before doing it all over again on the way home.

Do this for 4 years straight and you just might become suitable to move into a window seat.

Hi! How many years to wait to have the right to touch the control and do takeoffs and landings? Anyone knows?
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Old 3rd Apr 2024, 13:45
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Hi everyone,

I would like to know the cut-e aptitude test hand eye coordination test will be like the one on pilot assessment.com or like the Missile Game one?
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Old 4th Apr 2024, 17:53
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Originally Posted by fujiwara tofu
Hi everyone,

I would like to know the cut-e aptitude test hand eye coordination test will be like the one on pilot assessment.com or like the Missile Game one?
It's similar to the pilotassessment.com, but I will say the real test is easier.
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Old 4th Apr 2024, 23:55
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Originally Posted by IonizedWater
Hi! How many years to wait to have the right to touch the control and do takeoffs and landings? Anyone knows?
Variable. Expect 6 years or beyond. Some SOs are approaching to their 7 years mark and still have NO CLUE about promotion, but that's the beauty of this monopoly, full of uncertainties, insecurities, and the unknowns.
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Old 5th Apr 2024, 02:43
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Was able to take the assessment yesterday. The HR person just ask me for my passport which I showed.

She did not ask for further information like 'visa' or rights to work in Hong Kong.
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Old 5th Apr 2024, 04:42
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Originally Posted by Hardrod
Variable. Expect 6 years or beyond. Some SOs are approaching to their 7 years mark and still have NO CLUE about promotion, but that's the beauty of this monopoly, full of uncertainties, insecurities, and the unknowns.
Six years? WTF?? HR told me 1.5 years on average. She said situation changed. She said company don't allow SO to remain SO for more than 2 years now. Did she lie? Anyone knows?
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Old 5th Apr 2024, 12:08
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Originally Posted by IonizedWater
Six years? WTF?? HR told me 1.5 years on average. She said situation changed. She said company don't allow SO to remain SO for more than 2 years now. Did she lie? Anyone knows?
I've not heard of anyone becoming FO in 2 years. Who was the HR person that told you this?
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Old 6th Apr 2024, 01:27
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Originally Posted by IonizedWater
Six years? WTF?? HR told me 1.5 years on average. She said situation changed. She said company don't allow SO to remain SO for more than 2 years now. Did she lie? Anyone knows?
I don't work for this outfit anymore, but I remember clearly the day of my interview years ago when HR told me an average of 2 years, and it ended up being 6-7 in reality. Be very skeptical unless you can see such assurances in writing. Also, I don't see how she can get an accurate average when they only just started upgrading people last year with a significant training bottleneck.

This said, they are desperate these days, and even their requirements for DEFOs have dropped significantly. The time to upgrade will probably drop, but that's all affected by how many people are in front of you to upgrade, and how many DEFOs they take in.​​​​​ You also need to hope single pilot in the cruise doesn't start becoming a thing in the next half-decade or so.
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Old 8th Apr 2024, 09:20
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Originally Posted by yep_ok_whatever
I've not heard of anyone becoming FO in 2 years. Who was the HR person that told you this?
I can't remember her name. I just called the number which I found it here on pprune and they transferred my call to that HR that I spoke with. She just keeps telling me to apply apply apply which is weird.
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Old 8th Apr 2024, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Boulanger
I don't work for this outfit anymore, but I remember clearly the day of my interview years ago when HR told me an average of 2 years, and it ended up being 6-7 in reality. Be very skeptical unless you can see such assurances in writing. Also, I don't see how she can get an accurate average when they only just started upgrading people last year with a significant training bottleneck.

This said, they are desperate these days, and even their requirements for DEFOs have dropped significantly. The time to upgrade will probably drop, but that's all affected by how many people are in front of you to upgrade, and how many DEFOs they take in.​​​​​ You also need to hope single pilot in the cruise doesn't start becoming a thing in the next half-decade or so.
I see. Yes, I saw people on LinkedIn got upgraded in 2 years but it was many many years ago. I think the HR I spoke with use the outdated figure to try to entice me to apply. As my friend at Michael Page said, they are all sales people. No wonder. Thanks for your help!
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Old 9th Apr 2024, 03:10
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Originally Posted by IonizedWater
I see. Yes, I saw people on LinkedIn got upgraded in 2 years but it was many many years ago. I think the HR I spoke with use the outdated figure to try to entice me to apply. As my friend at Michael Page said, they are all sales people. No wonder. Thanks for your help!
Never heard anyone could get upgrade in 2 years, the shortest upgrade time I know so far was about 2 years and 3 months from SO to JFO.

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Old 9th Apr 2024, 14:10
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Wow interesting…..
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Old 13th Apr 2024, 02:39
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Awful idea here but let say you work for Cathay for a few years as SO then you find a company they will give you TR and FO job. They you work for a few years as FO for the experience. Can you return to Cathay and join the FO as you have hours or are you viewed as a traitor and get black listed and ignored? truly an awful idea but the idea of 7 plus year as SO is not a great prospect.
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Old 13th Apr 2024, 05:30
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Originally Posted by joblessPilot
Awful idea here but let say you work for Cathay for a few years as SO then you find a company they will give you TR and FO job. They you work for a few years as FO for the experience. Can you return to Cathay and join the FO as you have hours or are you viewed as a traitor and get black listed and ignored? truly an awful idea but the idea of 7 plus year as SO is not a great prospect.

Two things. One. You can always quit, anytime, as long as you pay back the training loan, or else, CX will chase you to every single corner of the world to make sure you pay back every single penny they spent on you. Two. Whether they will hire you back. Noone knows. Common sense tells you they will be very skeptical on your return, unless you are made redundant.
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Old 16th Apr 2024, 03:48
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Hello everyone just a question about the aircraft types they normally put SO on these days?
is it the A321 or other aircraft types that they have?

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Old 17th Apr 2024, 03:13
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Red face Online application "ACTION" button missing

Hi all,

has anyone had this before?
so i had my initial interview yesterday and didnt hear back from Cathay since.
My online application is still there but the "action" button is no long available. is this a sign that my application gonna get deleted soon?
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Old 18th Apr 2024, 07:30
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Hi all, I am new here.

I would like to ask how long an applicant shall wait to receive the reply/email from Cathay that instruct them to apply for the ICAO test after the date when he or she made the application (Day 0)?
I heard some received next day (Day 1) after they applied (Day 0), some may take around a week, but also heard some weird case that they received nothing after a week/ weeks and their portal were 'clear' later (Don't know what happen to them!).
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Does anyone know if Capt. Dave Hodges still with Cathay? I met him few years ago at a job fair but I forgot to ask for his contact. Anyone knows his whereabout or has his contact information please let me know. Much appreciated!
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