CX ICAO english test
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i asked for comments but he didn't say pass/fail
i guess if your english is exceptionally good, he may pass you right after the assessment...but usually the result is released later
i guess if your english is exceptionally good, he may pass you right after the assessment...but usually the result is released later
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does anyone have any idea on CX's policy for people who already hold an ICAO rating for english? are these candidates also required to complete (and pass) the CX test before proceding to Stage 2?
if so, would their previously granted rating be of any influence to the CX english assessment?
if so, would their previously granted rating be of any influence to the CX english assessment?
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An existing ICAO certification would be largely irrelevant during the interview. The English test is part of the recruitment process and I cannot imagine that an existing certification will warrant exclusion from that stage of the test. As mentioned above, it can be out of date and language is something that needs to be maintained with regular practice. I know this from my own experience learning Cantonese.
There are some advantages to obtaining a prior certification - you can go into the assessment with greater confidence. My company Home | aviationenglish.asia offer this service, I'm sure that other companies will follow us in the future. However, I would not recommend that CPP applicants try to obtain certification privately unless that have significant flying experience. PM me if you would like to know why.
A further reason is that ICAO certification is a relatively undeveloped concept, there are countless scandals where pilots have obtained certification by obtaining a rubber stamp from a testing centre. At the moment ICAO testing is done by the airlines themselves in Hong Kong. This is for a good reason.
The airlines are the parties with something to risk. Would an airline prefer a rating from xyz language school or its own rating department?
Think about it - What does xyz risk to lose if the rating is inaccurate? At most credibility. What can they gain? - money. Do they have any external control? - not really.
What does an airline lose if an accident caused by miscommunication occurs? Potentially aircraft and responsibility for countless lives.
There is also the matter of whether the CX CPP ICAO test is really an ICAO test at all.
btw, nice to meet you all.
Mike
There are some advantages to obtaining a prior certification - you can go into the assessment with greater confidence. My company Home | aviationenglish.asia offer this service, I'm sure that other companies will follow us in the future. However, I would not recommend that CPP applicants try to obtain certification privately unless that have significant flying experience. PM me if you would like to know why.
A further reason is that ICAO certification is a relatively undeveloped concept, there are countless scandals where pilots have obtained certification by obtaining a rubber stamp from a testing centre. At the moment ICAO testing is done by the airlines themselves in Hong Kong. This is for a good reason.
The airlines are the parties with something to risk. Would an airline prefer a rating from xyz language school or its own rating department?
Think about it - What does xyz risk to lose if the rating is inaccurate? At most credibility. What can they gain? - money. Do they have any external control? - not really.
What does an airline lose if an accident caused by miscommunication occurs? Potentially aircraft and responsibility for countless lives.
There is also the matter of whether the CX CPP ICAO test is really an ICAO test at all.
btw, nice to meet you all.
Mike
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how aviation specific is the ICAO test?
It is apparent that the test is more focused on general english, but not aviation related english. Actually, how many %/ which part of the test requires aviation english proficiency? What will those about? (eg, aviaiton science? radio communication? aircraft technical terms? ATC ? etc)
Well, for application with little or none aviation experience. Is taking ICAO course the only way to shape ourself for the test?
Thanks for the detail answer!
Well, for application with little or none aviation experience. Is taking ICAO course the only way to shape ourself for the test?
Thanks for the detail answer!
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Hey ming,
The ICAO english test does not require the knowledge or use of technical aviation language at all.
It is based on general english skills i.e listening, comprehension and verbal skills.
E.g. 1 - given a picture, describe what is happening or describe a certain aspect of the picture.
E.g 2 - listen to a recorded conversation between a number of people, then answer questions based on that conversation
E.g. 3 - watch a video and then explain what happened
It is really trying to see if you can 1) understand english and 2) use english proficiently enough to get your point across.
The ICAO english test does not require the knowledge or use of technical aviation language at all.
It is based on general english skills i.e listening, comprehension and verbal skills.
E.g. 1 - given a picture, describe what is happening or describe a certain aspect of the picture.
E.g 2 - listen to a recorded conversation between a number of people, then answer questions based on that conversation
E.g. 3 - watch a video and then explain what happened
It is really trying to see if you can 1) understand english and 2) use english proficiently enough to get your point across.
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ICAO English Test Examples
Also there is paraphrasing at the beginning of the test... (this bit kills a lot of Hong Kongers I guess)
E.g. 1: What does it mean by 'let go'?
E.g. 2: What does 'crash course' mean to you.
Another one is the examiner asks you to pick several items from a card and explain why you choose it..
E.g. : Pick 5 items that you want to bring in a survival camp. (this bit is easy!)
Hope this helps. Remember this examination is nothing about aviation.
Remus
E.g. 1: What does it mean by 'let go'?
E.g. 2: What does 'crash course' mean to you.
Another one is the examiner asks you to pick several items from a card and explain why you choose it..
E.g. : Pick 5 items that you want to bring in a survival camp. (this bit is easy!)
Hope this helps. Remember this examination is nothing about aviation.
Remus
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I heard from a lot of LEPs that the examiner who runs the test is very illegitimate. I will not comment on if his assessment is fair or not but what I will say that when the test subject fail the test, the examiner will refer him to a friend of his, for private aviation English tuition, which costs tens of thousands of dollar. This is highly inappropriate, to say the least. If weren't working for the company, I would have contacted the ICAC.
Guys, be aware!
Guys, be aware!
