CX Local/Expat Scale, how does it work?
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hmmm
I doubt CX will offer expat terms even though i was born in Australia...simply because i also hold an HKID and are of asian race. CX could safe millions in ur entire career on local terms since we are the one looking to work for them...and they are in no short of expat pilot applications...But u could think that if u apply as a local DESO u could have a better chance of employment...
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to reiterate a question earlier, what is the payscale for a SO just come out of the Cadet scheme? and how long do yoou have to work for them to 'pay back' the trainings?
What other allowance do you get for a SO ??
What other allowance do you get for a SO ??
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To clarify
Just to be very clear to the original poster:
There is absolutely NO difference in salary between a local and an expat. The difference kicks in when it comes to other benefits. Locals do not get any provision for education and a different scheme for housing. Local captains still get some housing allowance (not nearly as much, but some).
So, if you are to compare the entire package, admittedly, it is a sizeable difference, but purely salary, there is none.
There is absolutely NO difference in salary between a local and an expat. The difference kicks in when it comes to other benefits. Locals do not get any provision for education and a different scheme for housing. Local captains still get some housing allowance (not nearly as much, but some).
So, if you are to compare the entire package, admittedly, it is a sizeable difference, but purely salary, there is none.
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This one issue that CX must fix/ the union must challenge. It is surely very demoralising for the local aircrew.
In my humble opinion, HR can only TRY to force one to sign a local contract. One can always decline the offer and demand an expat's. Supposingly, if you are flying for an airline and go for a CX interview, you can always go back to your job.
Let's play bluff!
In my humble opinion, HR can only TRY to force one to sign a local contract. One can always decline the offer and demand an expat's. Supposingly, if you are flying for an airline and go for a CX interview, you can always go back to your job.
Let's play bluff!
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Yamair:
The New Discrimination law won't come into play until late 2009. The law pretty much sums up the fact that expat terms will become illegal provided that both local and expat are performing the same job. However, if a company can not hired any qualified candidates locally, they can still offer expat package to overseas workers. In such cases, the said company will need to prove that such workers can not be hired locally. For the case of pilots at CX, CX can say they are unable to hire any qualified candidates because there is almost no pilot pool in HK. However, CX cadet are not CX employees during training, therefore they become suitable candidates after their training. So when they sign their contract with CX in HK (after their training), CX can not legally offer them local terms starting late 2009. At that point, I will assume CX will need to provide equal terms to all NEW HK based pilot (either expat or Cadet candidate). However, the law has a grandfather causes which offer protection to any company with existing contracts. Hence, exisiting local pilot at CX will not be protected by this new law. There is a grey area about this, for example, if an existing local pilot decided to sign onto COS08 after this new law comes into play, they are theoritically on a new contract (hence they can not be offered local terms). This however can be argue in court. Also CX can offer employment to cadet at the begining of their training (ie: offer them a senoirty number and offer the a proper salary starting at the begining of their training), this way, cadets will not be qualified pilot at the time of employment and therefore local terms can be offered. Again, there is more grey area, if CX really decided to offer cadets seniority at the begining of their training, cadet can aruge they are no different then CX instructor course candidates at the time of their hired. Hence, if CX offer those on the instructor course expat package, they will have to offer them to cadets as well. However, all solutions will run into complications with AOA with regards to seniority and also what pay scale will cadets recieve during their training, etc... All in all, it will be a fun times once this law comes into play. You will definitly see a lot of complain coming from exisiting local pilots as well. If AOA decided to get involve in this, I can see the AOA membership for local pilots on the raise starting late 2009. So a lot of trouble ahead at CX, that's for sure.
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The New Discrimination law won't come into play until late 2009. The law pretty much sums up the fact that expat terms will become illegal provided that both local and expat are performing the same job. However, if a company can not hired any qualified candidates locally, they can still offer expat package to overseas workers. In such cases, the said company will need to prove that such workers can not be hired locally. For the case of pilots at CX, CX can say they are unable to hire any qualified candidates because there is almost no pilot pool in HK. However, CX cadet are not CX employees during training, therefore they become suitable candidates after their training. So when they sign their contract with CX in HK (after their training), CX can not legally offer them local terms starting late 2009. At that point, I will assume CX will need to provide equal terms to all NEW HK based pilot (either expat or Cadet candidate). However, the law has a grandfather causes which offer protection to any company with existing contracts. Hence, exisiting local pilot at CX will not be protected by this new law. There is a grey area about this, for example, if an existing local pilot decided to sign onto COS08 after this new law comes into play, they are theoritically on a new contract (hence they can not be offered local terms). This however can be argue in court. Also CX can offer employment to cadet at the begining of their training (ie: offer them a senoirty number and offer the a proper salary starting at the begining of their training), this way, cadets will not be qualified pilot at the time of employment and therefore local terms can be offered. Again, there is more grey area, if CX really decided to offer cadets seniority at the begining of their training, cadet can aruge they are no different then CX instructor course candidates at the time of their hired. Hence, if CX offer those on the instructor course expat package, they will have to offer them to cadets as well. However, all solutions will run into complications with AOA with regards to seniority and also what pay scale will cadets recieve during their training, etc... All in all, it will be a fun times once this law comes into play. You will definitly see a lot of complain coming from exisiting local pilots as well. If AOA decided to get involve in this, I can see the AOA membership for local pilots on the raise starting late 2009. So a lot of trouble ahead at CX, that's for sure.
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Does it matter that the cadets would not get a job at CX with the experience they had after the cadet course if they applied for a DESO job? I think it is still around the 3000 hour mark with turboprop or jet time to get in as an expat DESO. Most guys seem to have about 7 or so years flying experience. I can understand guys with a HKID card and the required experience for DESO having to go on expat terms.
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Hello boys!
I'm new to the site. Great read so far on this issue. The new discrimination law looks similar to what Canada has at the moment.
I'm also going to apply for the cadet pilot programme real soon once I finish my PPL (10 more hours).
I think at this stage, I'm more concerned about getting an opportunity to fly for a big airline company and CX seems to fit that for me.
Does anyone know if there will be another screening date after Jan 09? I know there is one happening this month but seeing how there is a global crisis occuring, I'm worried there may not be another one until next year 2010.
Anyways, all the best for you and your family for 2009.
I'm new to the site. Great read so far on this issue. The new discrimination law looks similar to what Canada has at the moment.
I'm also going to apply for the cadet pilot programme real soon once I finish my PPL (10 more hours).
I think at this stage, I'm more concerned about getting an opportunity to fly for a big airline company and CX seems to fit that for me.
Does anyone know if there will be another screening date after Jan 09? I know there is one happening this month but seeing how there is a global crisis occuring, I'm worried there may not be another one until next year 2010.
Anyways, all the best for you and your family for 2009.
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Well here is the truth, I have been given 2 options from CX which are the instructor short course and the local cadet program. CX confirmed they will give me expat terms if I join the short course even tho I hold HKID, so just go for whatever you think is good for you, just remind you that CX already stopped hiring direct entry only cadet is still going on.
