PAL av school
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From: RPLL
I think PAL should at least guarantee employment to their students. If they'll be training the "best pilots in the country" (READ: Through these portals pass the BEST PILOTS IN THE PHILIPPINES) wouldn't it be rational for them to secure ther graduates' future?
The tuition is very pricey and you might even shell out additional funds in the end because PAL might not be hiring by the time you graduate.. You'll have to look for ways to keep yourself current by taking a flight insructor course, renting a plane or getting a paying co-pilot job.. That's additional expense on top of your tuition and other expenses at PAL Av.
Plus, the wait would be very very very long as you'll find yourself queueing behind those guys currently training in Clark.
The tuition is very pricey and you might even shell out additional funds in the end because PAL might not be hiring by the time you graduate.. You'll have to look for ways to keep yourself current by taking a flight insructor course, renting a plane or getting a paying co-pilot job.. That's additional expense on top of your tuition and other expenses at PAL Av.
Plus, the wait would be very very very long as you'll find yourself queueing behind those guys currently training in Clark.
Joined: Jan 2010
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From: far east
anansi, carlo,
3M is no joke. i guess i dont have 3M to throw away, unlike u?
comparing pilots to doctors or lawyers is bad analogy because doctors and lawyers can start practicing their professions right away after getting their degree, whereas for pilots after pilot training, it's simply not like that.
also saying PAL AV school is the best in the country, im sure, is up for debate.
3M is no joke. i guess i dont have 3M to throw away, unlike u?
comparing pilots to doctors or lawyers is bad analogy because doctors and lawyers can start practicing their professions right away after getting their degree, whereas for pilots after pilot training, it's simply not like that.
also saying PAL AV school is the best in the country, im sure, is up for debate.
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Manila, Philippines
I don't have that amount of money either That's why I had to work immediately after getting my cpl. I wouldn't have the slightest idea how fast lawyers and doctors get hired after graduation but I'm thinking of how many thousands of lawyers and doctors graduate each year.
It's really simple, if you don't like pal or pal aviation school then don't apply. Complaining won't get you anywhere near your goal of becoming a pilot. I'm sure everyone would agree with this
That's why I had to work immediately after getting my cpl. I wouldn't have the slightest idea how fast lawyers and doctors get hired after graduation but I'm thinking of how many thousands of lawyers and doctors graduate each year. It's really simple, if you don't like pal or pal aviation school then don't apply. Complaining won't get you anywhere near your goal of becoming a pilot. I'm sure everyone would agree with this
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: Area 51
"no guarantee that you''ll work for them after you graduate.. they admitted it." ... "grabe"
I am not aware of any airline that will guarantee employment, specially from the start of ab initio training.
Now this is how the cookie crumbles ...
Prior to probationary employment you have to pass physical and medical exams, individual and panel interviews and written tests. Next, you have to pass the airline's aircraft qualification course (simulator and line check rides). Before the six-month probationary period is over the pilot has to undergo a sim check then panel interview again.
Not every Tomas, Ricardo and Horacio can be an airline pilot. Most PAL AvSchool graduates make it, some don't. The airline has a responsibility to the riding public so you fellows have to meet the airline's and the civil authorities' standards.
Even as a regular line pilot there are still mine fields along the way but that is another story.
I am not aware of any airline that will guarantee employment, specially from the start of ab initio training.
Now this is how the cookie crumbles ...
Prior to probationary employment you have to pass physical and medical exams, individual and panel interviews and written tests. Next, you have to pass the airline's aircraft qualification course (simulator and line check rides). Before the six-month probationary period is over the pilot has to undergo a sim check then panel interview again.
Not every Tomas, Ricardo and Horacio can be an airline pilot. Most PAL AvSchool graduates make it, some don't. The airline has a responsibility to the riding public so you fellows have to meet the airline's and the civil authorities' standards.
Even as a regular line pilot there are still mine fields along the way but that is another story.
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: Philippines
Psychomotor Exam
Any one from the recent batch who attended the Oct 12, 2010 orientation already finished psychomotor exam? I'm taking the exam next week so i would appreciate any tips on the preparation. And probably information on how it is being conducted. :-) Thank you.
Joined: Aug 2010
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From: anywhere
final medical
Still awaiting for the results of the psychological exam.. Just wanted to know about the final medical, Can it be completed in half day for the first part? I think there are tests wherein it needs to be done in Makati Med and Cardinal Santos. Need comments from the previous batches.. Thanks..
Joined: Dec 2010
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From: SALEM
not worth it spending money in pal av, ive been a flight instructor for a long time well guys just find some good flying school around in plaridel thats the place wer ive been and teach for a long time. now look at me im now a 328 chief
Joined: Mar 2009
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From: pre-dep area
guys,
any school - be it an aviation school, college of medicine, institute of fine arts - is only as good as the effort the student puts in. i'm sure this is past arguable.
i am no cerebrally-challenged slacker, but i learned more about flying in general ON MY OWN compared with what i did in the Av-School. in fact, there is some truth to the statement that many guys succeeded not because of, but inspite of, dear old PAL Av-School.
Sure, 'twas fun, but that's not the point of contention here.
you can train with omni, fast, fliteline, or any other hole-in-the wall flying school and still end up a great airman if you put in the work. out of the 3 pilots i respect the most, only 1 came from Av-Sch.
never believe that BS sign. the original actually read thus: "Through this hallway pass not only expert airmen of tomorrow, but also future ambassadors of goodwill." a dodo broke it while knocking on the PT lounge door at 2 am to satisfy the power-tripping of some upperclassmen that had nothing to do with flying at all.
cheers.
any school - be it an aviation school, college of medicine, institute of fine arts - is only as good as the effort the student puts in. i'm sure this is past arguable.
i am no cerebrally-challenged slacker, but i learned more about flying in general ON MY OWN compared with what i did in the Av-School. in fact, there is some truth to the statement that many guys succeeded not because of, but inspite of, dear old PAL Av-School.
Sure, 'twas fun, but that's not the point of contention here.
you can train with omni, fast, fliteline, or any other hole-in-the wall flying school and still end up a great airman if you put in the work. out of the 3 pilots i respect the most, only 1 came from Av-Sch.
never believe that BS sign. the original actually read thus: "Through this hallway pass not only expert airmen of tomorrow, but also future ambassadors of goodwill." a dodo broke it while knocking on the PT lounge door at 2 am to satisfy the power-tripping of some upperclassmen that had nothing to do with flying at all.
cheers.
Joined: May 2011
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From: Cebu
I have a question
Hi,
I'll be in my senior year in high school when school starts this June, my mom's pilot friend from PAL(my mom also used to work at PAL) recommended mechanical engineering for my course in college as i also wannabe a pilot. Is Mechanical Engineering a good course if i wanna be a pilot? I also have an impacted canine but it never came out though so when you look at my teeth one canine is still a baby tooth. Will PALav accept applicants with teeth like mine? Feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks. God Bless.
I'll be in my senior year in high school when school starts this June, my mom's pilot friend from PAL(my mom also used to work at PAL) recommended mechanical engineering for my course in college as i also wannabe a pilot. Is Mechanical Engineering a good course if i wanna be a pilot? I also have an impacted canine but it never came out though so when you look at my teeth one canine is still a baby tooth. Will PALav accept applicants with teeth like mine? Feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks. God Bless.
Joined: Apr 2011
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From: Philippines
Well, there are several ways to become a pilot.
1) Go straight to a flying school and build up your hours after high school.
Advantage: Get hours really quick while you are young
Drawback: Airlines normally require you to have a bachelors degree or better aside from hours gained. Hard time getting in an airline.
2) One option would be to take up flying as your undergrad course( Civil Aviation, etc)
Advantage: Build up your hours as you take up your degree. You can go straight into an airline right after you achieve you hour requirement(from 500-1500 hrs)
Disadvantage: God forbid you fail in medical exams or have an incident and lose your license, you have no fall back job. This can happen and does happen.
3) Finish college(any course other than aviation) then fly in an aviation school.
Advantage: You have a fall back in case something goes wrong.
Disadvantage: Takes more time and money(this depends on the school though)
Mechanical Engineering could help augment your knowledge in aviation but is not really a requirement. As long as you have a good 4 year course from a good school, that would be enough. (Hard work and perseverance with the proper attitude is key)
I'm not really sure with PALav's policy but I think if you have an impacted tooth, it might have to be removed. Anyway, they give you a dental examination during the selection period and they will tell you what needs to be done with your teeth (extraction, cleaning, etc). As long as your speech is good then there is not much to worry about. Learn and speak good english! I can't emphasize that enough! That can give you a good advantage especially during the interview.
All in all. There are so many ways to be a pilot. Look at all of them. Don't just jump right away. I have some friends who are pilots yet who don't have jobs because they lack certain requirements. I myself almost got lost if I did not research well enough. Thanks to some friends who gave me advice, I was able to make the proper decisions.
My suggestion to you is to finish college, do well and keep HEALTHY! (Very stringent medical checks: not just the eyes) Then, when you pick a school, look at its advantages and disadvantages. Some can give you false promises. When your goal is to become an airline pilot, then see if the school will lead you to that.
PALav: can lead you straight to flying for PAL but its a battle getting in there.
Clarkav: depends on the demand for A320 pilots(Cebupac). Since they offer a different license MPL, this could make it hard for you to get in if you are not sponsored by Cebupac.
Flying schools and colleges: We have some good flying schools but its the hours that are important and you don't have enough when you graduate. You either have to fly in genav, be a flight instructor or pay your hours yourself.
Anyway, good luck and let me know if you have any more questions. There are a lot of good people in these forums any they will help you out.
1) Go straight to a flying school and build up your hours after high school.
Advantage: Get hours really quick while you are young
Drawback: Airlines normally require you to have a bachelors degree or better aside from hours gained. Hard time getting in an airline.
2) One option would be to take up flying as your undergrad course( Civil Aviation, etc)
Advantage: Build up your hours as you take up your degree. You can go straight into an airline right after you achieve you hour requirement(from 500-1500 hrs)
Disadvantage: God forbid you fail in medical exams or have an incident and lose your license, you have no fall back job. This can happen and does happen.
3) Finish college(any course other than aviation) then fly in an aviation school.
Advantage: You have a fall back in case something goes wrong.
Disadvantage: Takes more time and money(this depends on the school though)
Mechanical Engineering could help augment your knowledge in aviation but is not really a requirement. As long as you have a good 4 year course from a good school, that would be enough. (Hard work and perseverance with the proper attitude is key
)I'm not really sure with PALav's policy but I think if you have an impacted tooth, it might have to be removed. Anyway, they give you a dental examination during the selection period and they will tell you what needs to be done with your teeth (extraction, cleaning, etc). As long as your speech is good then there is not much to worry about. Learn and speak good english! I can't emphasize that enough! That can give you a good advantage especially during the interview.
All in all. There are so many ways to be a pilot. Look at all of them. Don't just jump right away. I have some friends who are pilots yet who don't have jobs because they lack certain requirements. I myself almost got lost if I did not research well enough. Thanks to some friends who gave me advice, I was able to make the proper decisions.
My suggestion to you is to finish college, do well and keep HEALTHY! (Very stringent medical checks: not just the eyes) Then, when you pick a school, look at its advantages and disadvantages. Some can give you false promises. When your goal is to become an airline pilot, then see if the school will lead you to that.
PALav: can lead you straight to flying for PAL but its a battle getting in there.
Clarkav: depends on the demand for A320 pilots(Cebupac). Since they offer a different license MPL, this could make it hard for you to get in if you are not sponsored by Cebupac.
Flying schools and colleges: We have some good flying schools but its the hours that are important and you don't have enough when you graduate. You either have to fly in genav, be a flight instructor or pay your hours yourself.
Anyway, good luck and let me know if you have any more questions. There are a lot of good people in these forums any they will help you out.
Joined: May 2011
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From: Cebu
silentwing,
Thanks for the info. Really do appreciate it. Yeah my speech is good
and my english too since i've been trained speak english since i was little(and chinese too). There aren't really any good flight academies here in cebu so ME is the only option i can consider. I know its a bit early for me to ask this but when I apply(God willing) do i have to go to manila since PLC is there or can it be done here in cebu? And usually how many applicants are there? Since you mentioned that its a battle to get in. thanks and God bless.
Thanks for the info. Really do appreciate it. Yeah my speech is good
and my english too since i've been trained speak english since i was little(and chinese too). There aren't really any good flight academies here in cebu so ME is the only option i can consider. I know its a bit early for me to ask this but when I apply(God willing) do i have to go to manila since PLC is there or can it be done here in cebu? And usually how many applicants are there? Since you mentioned that its a battle to get in. thanks and God bless.
Joined: Apr 2011
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From: Philippines
I'm not really sure but I think you may have to come here to apply. They would usually email you in advance when the orientation is so you can prepare. It might take you 1 to 2 months to finish all tests depending on how fast results are given.
To put you into perspective, this year, they were only getting 36 applicants. During the orientation seminar, I think there were more than 200 (estimate) or so who attended. Could be more...
To put you into perspective, this year, they were only getting 36 applicants. During the orientation seminar, I think there were more than 200 (estimate) or so who attended. Could be more...
Joined: Feb 2013
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From: Paranaque City, Philippines
Do all flying schools in PH have weight requirement like PalAv? i'm overweight but im not a slouch. i exercise regularly and do fun runs and have no problems.
I inquired in OMNI and they don't have any requirement for weight as long as you are healthy.
I inquired in OMNI and they don't have any requirement for weight as long as you are healthy.