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Q about Maths test preparation
Maths test preparation course
Can someone please shed some light on the maths test for me- I have been told about a guy in Melbourne (the same guy who does the QF prep course) who claims to know all about the Cx maths test, both the content and how to prepare for it. He claims to have prepared numerous people for the test, both DE pilots and cadets. I find this a little hard to believe since the test has only been part of the process since about July/August of this year. I have also just read harryleung's post about what he will be doing for the cadet selection process and he mentions nothing about a maths test.
I am thinking of doing this guys course as I have absolutely no information about the test at all at this stage- but for $800 aussie (plus airfares and accommodation) I want to know that I'm getting the real deal- I don't mind investing in my future at Cx (I've already spent large sums of money throughout the process), but I don't want to waste my time and money on something that seems a bit on the dodgy side to start with.
If anyone has done this guys course for the Cathay selection process (not interested in the QF one) could they please shed some light for me?
Also if anyone out there has done the actual maths test- some info would be much appreciated.
thanks in advance!
Can someone please shed some light on the maths test for me- I have been told about a guy in Melbourne (the same guy who does the QF prep course) who claims to know all about the Cx maths test, both the content and how to prepare for it. He claims to have prepared numerous people for the test, both DE pilots and cadets. I find this a little hard to believe since the test has only been part of the process since about July/August of this year. I have also just read harryleung's post about what he will be doing for the cadet selection process and he mentions nothing about a maths test.
I am thinking of doing this guys course as I have absolutely no information about the test at all at this stage- but for $800 aussie (plus airfares and accommodation) I want to know that I'm getting the real deal- I don't mind investing in my future at Cx (I've already spent large sums of money throughout the process), but I don't want to waste my time and money on something that seems a bit on the dodgy side to start with.
If anyone has done this guys course for the Cathay selection process (not interested in the QF one) could they please shed some light for me?
Also if anyone out there has done the actual maths test- some info would be much appreciated.
thanks in advance!
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I am from Vancouver and will be attending the Cadet selection interview in January 06. Did some research on the process itself and the amount of information concerning the math test is very limited.
From what I know, there will be 33 questions, 30 minutes and 16 multiple choice answers per question.
Sample question:
There are 1.15 Dinars to 1.5 BP. A BP will buy you 2.15 Rubbles. If you had 15000 Dinars, how many BP would you have with the remainder in Rubbles.
It was also stated that most ppl will only complete around 15-18 questions within the allotted time. The skill test includes multiplication, long division, and algebraic equations.
Just curious, will you also be attending the cadet selection interviews in Jan?? and who/what is this preparation course your talking about? Where is it located?
Thanks.
From what I know, there will be 33 questions, 30 minutes and 16 multiple choice answers per question.
Sample question:
There are 1.15 Dinars to 1.5 BP. A BP will buy you 2.15 Rubbles. If you had 15000 Dinars, how many BP would you have with the remainder in Rubbles.
It was also stated that most ppl will only complete around 15-18 questions within the allotted time. The skill test includes multiplication, long division, and algebraic equations.
Just curious, will you also be attending the cadet selection interviews in Jan?? and who/what is this preparation course your talking about? Where is it located?
Thanks.
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just came back from hkg and had the same test. very hard i must say. finished only 15 out of 33. had to gues only 2 of the 15q's. the other people finished more but guessed also a lot more answers. i got hired, not sure they did.
it is all about the answers and the amount. i dont think it is wise to rush through them and guess your way through. although you may have more answers on paper!
Take your time, thats the only way to answer them right.
but if you see a question you dont understand at all, which doesn't make sence, move on. Don't waste any time looking at them!
good luck!
D.
it is all about the answers and the amount. i dont think it is wise to rush through them and guess your way through. although you may have more answers on paper!
Take your time, thats the only way to answer them right.
but if you see a question you dont understand at all, which doesn't make sence, move on. Don't waste any time looking at them!
good luck!
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The math test is the standard GMA (General Management Ability) test. I say standard because a lot (and I mean A LOT, not just airlines) of companies throughout the world use it for employment selection. I would suggest you GOOGLE the thing first, before you drop $800,- on a prep course. You might be able to find an on-line prep. Something tells me the guy doing the preps has the Internet as the sourse of his fortune
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I agree with spektor. I went through the process in June and googled math aptitude tests and did a couple of the practice tests which came up. I got to 25 and have no idea how I did but I got the job. My main focus would be on personal (why you want to work for CX) and getting through the sim eval. Everything else is important but I feel those are the 2 biggies.
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Hi guys,
Can someone shed some light as to which mathes test this is refering to?? Cadet or direct entry?
I also read somewhere (prob on this forum) that the cadet stage 2 mathes test is also based on GMAT, can anyone confirm this??
Regarding GMAT, this website has some good practice tests. Altho, they split them up into many different topics, anyone know which topics are relevant? Or should I do them all?!?!
Can someone shed some light as to which mathes test this is refering to?? Cadet or direct entry?
I also read somewhere (prob on this forum) that the cadet stage 2 mathes test is also based on GMAT, can anyone confirm this??
Regarding GMAT, this website has some good practice tests. Altho, they split them up into many different topics, anyone know which topics are relevant? Or should I do them all?!?!
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EO : When I did this course in May(PATS) had only been going for around six months . As you say that you have been with QF for years your comments are curious indeed. Certainly based on what I know some really quite unfair comments that you elected to make on this anonymous BB.
The company you are referring to is called PATS. For those outside OZ to gain a job with Qantas you have to first pass a battery of tests called Stage Two , and if you just fail on a first attempt you MAY get another chance(last) in one or two years . So the stakes are high , and the failure rates at Stage Two from my understanding are over 80% . The battery of tests consists of some aircraft instrument tests, maths , verbal, spatial and abstract reasoning. PATS provides training to pass stage two.
I did both the individual *2 and group courses and found both to be superb. For each particular test you are taught a number of methods that are logical , comprehensive, and very thorough . The methods allowed you to get a good handle on the cubes(spatial) and abstract( commands) very very quickly. The skills test (aircraft instruments) were made easy. The verbal , and maths questions you get to do in the individual course are pretty much the exact Qantas test - and you get taught a whole lot of shortcuts , exam techniques. There is absolutely no way I would have passed Stage Two without these courses . Nearly everyone I know who started at Qantas this year did this course.
The guy running the course was an excellent teacher/communicator - he knew the material very very well, and more importantly could explain it a number of different ways . Effectively I did the exact Qantas test 3 or 4 times before I sat it for real.
In my group course there were four RAAF pilots , and two regional skippers ( they all came on reccos from friends who had got Qantas start dates) . The guy running the PATS course showed one of the RAAF pilot( who had done a stint in RAAF recruitment) a course PATS had put together to prepare people for RAAF pilot selection. The RAAF guy said he replicated the whole RAAF test exactly but with better graphics , and suggested they try to sell it back to Air Force. So probably worth a call if you want to be a RAAFIE.
So based on what I know of these people - if they say they know the Cathay Maths test - I would believe them and I would go and see them very quickly. I did a couple of individual courses so spent well over $2K . Had I not passed and got into QF(maybe??) 12 months later my financial loss in salary alone for that year would be $ 80,000. If you calculated in lower seniority for life and always on a " one year less " salary the loss would probably be $ 300,000. I don't think $800 plus airfares is expensive at all.
Many in Oz are completely bitter and twisted about Stage Two , because they can't pass it and therefore will never work for any airlines in the Qantas group. People also give misinformation to protect either their or a relative/ friends position on the hold file, as if someone obtains a higher score they get a job first.
The company you are referring to is called PATS. For those outside OZ to gain a job with Qantas you have to first pass a battery of tests called Stage Two , and if you just fail on a first attempt you MAY get another chance(last) in one or two years . So the stakes are high , and the failure rates at Stage Two from my understanding are over 80% . The battery of tests consists of some aircraft instrument tests, maths , verbal, spatial and abstract reasoning. PATS provides training to pass stage two.
I did both the individual *2 and group courses and found both to be superb. For each particular test you are taught a number of methods that are logical , comprehensive, and very thorough . The methods allowed you to get a good handle on the cubes(spatial) and abstract( commands) very very quickly. The skills test (aircraft instruments) were made easy. The verbal , and maths questions you get to do in the individual course are pretty much the exact Qantas test - and you get taught a whole lot of shortcuts , exam techniques. There is absolutely no way I would have passed Stage Two without these courses . Nearly everyone I know who started at Qantas this year did this course.
The guy running the course was an excellent teacher/communicator - he knew the material very very well, and more importantly could explain it a number of different ways . Effectively I did the exact Qantas test 3 or 4 times before I sat it for real.
In my group course there were four RAAF pilots , and two regional skippers ( they all came on reccos from friends who had got Qantas start dates) . The guy running the PATS course showed one of the RAAF pilot( who had done a stint in RAAF recruitment) a course PATS had put together to prepare people for RAAF pilot selection. The RAAF guy said he replicated the whole RAAF test exactly but with better graphics , and suggested they try to sell it back to Air Force. So probably worth a call if you want to be a RAAFIE.
So based on what I know of these people - if they say they know the Cathay Maths test - I would believe them and I would go and see them very quickly. I did a couple of individual courses so spent well over $2K . Had I not passed and got into QF(maybe??) 12 months later my financial loss in salary alone for that year would be $ 80,000. If you calculated in lower seniority for life and always on a " one year less " salary the loss would probably be $ 300,000. I don't think $800 plus airfares is expensive at all.
Many in Oz are completely bitter and twisted about Stage Two , because they can't pass it and therefore will never work for any airlines in the Qantas group. People also give misinformation to protect either their or a relative/ friends position on the hold file, as if someone obtains a higher score they get a job first.
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This Math test apply to both Direct Entry and Cadet Pilot Applicants. It is a GMT based test, 33 questions in 30 minutes. You are not going to be able to finish it as you will not get enough time, also you can not guess as there are 16 answers to each questions, so it is pointless to guess. Just have to learn to skip questions that you can not figure out the answers in one minute or so. Most of the questions is simply math and chart and tables and data crunching. Questions in the front and end of the questions booklet is easier then the questions in the middle. So skip all the hard one in the middle if you get stuck, you will find those at the end much easier.
Finially, it is no point to spend 800 dollars to do a course for this math test. Just go and get some math books and practices the basic math and learn how to do them quickly in your head. The test does not allow any calculator. So good luck.
Finially, it is no point to spend 800 dollars to do a course for this math test. Just go and get some math books and practices the basic math and learn how to do them quickly in your head. The test does not allow any calculator. So good luck.
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I wish to reiterate what has been said previously regarding the unsuitability of the PATS course.
I have done the PATS course as prep for my QF psych test. It was perfect for this as the material is very similar to the actual test.
However I don't believe that they do have access to the Cathay maths test material as they claim.
I will not be doing another PATS course for my Cathay interview. I am willing to pay any expense to get my dream job with Cathay, but I am not foolish with my money.
I think focusing on the sim ride and the tech and personal Q's is what its all about. Everyone I know who has got into CX recently didn't even get half way in that maths test. Its just not that important in the big scheme of things.
I have done the PATS course as prep for my QF psych test. It was perfect for this as the material is very similar to the actual test.
However I don't believe that they do have access to the Cathay maths test material as they claim.
I will not be doing another PATS course for my Cathay interview. I am willing to pay any expense to get my dream job with Cathay, but I am not foolish with my money.
I think focusing on the sim ride and the tech and personal Q's is what its all about. Everyone I know who has got into CX recently didn't even get half way in that maths test. Its just not that important in the big scheme of things.
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guys look at the dec 12,13th post for phase 2..the math test is not hard and one of the other guys in our groupe came up with the easy answer we posted...dont sweat it...
