Are You Sure You Want To Join Dragonair
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Having been with KA for the last 3 yrs I'd say think long and hard about coming to work for them. The conditions of service have been steadily eroded since I arrived and continue to be so at an alarming rate. Now the house perchase scheme is under attack as is staff travel and everything else you can think of. There are two managers here who are trying to feather their own nests by continually attacking our conditions. We are no longer allowed to use reverse thrust unless we have a good reason to do so and returning to HK with more than 10 mins extra fuel is frowned upon. The cost cutting has torn the heart out of moral and we are now in "contract compliance" it is not a pleasant place to work. There has been 3 resignations in the last couple of months and from what I hear there is going to be more to come. The polution in HK is horrendous to say the least and is a great concern to all pilots here with kids. Ask around and be sure before you commit yourself.
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“. . . . as is staff travel and everything else you can think of. . . .”
Could you explain how staff travel is being changed? Surely you aren’t referring to the $40 cancellation fee.
“. . . . We are no longer allowed to use reverse thrust. . . .”
I wasn’t aware that use of reverse thrust was in our COS.
There has been 3 resignations in the last couple of months and from what I hear there is going to be more”
Wow, what a huge rate of turnover that represents.
“. . . . as is staff travel and everything else you can think of. . . .”
Could you explain how staff travel is being changed? Surely you aren’t referring to the $40 cancellation fee.
“. . . . We are no longer allowed to use reverse thrust. . . .”
I wasn’t aware that use of reverse thrust was in our COS.
There has been 3 resignations in the last couple of months and from what I hear there is going to be more”
Wow, what a huge rate of turnover that represents.
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The use of idle reverse thrust is the manufacturer's best advice. Autobrake Lo or Med works on a set decceleration rate. So if you use full reverse thrust, the brakes release a bit - and the landing distance is exactly the same! However, carbon brakes prefer one contunuous and unmodulated application which keeps them cooler and extends their life. Furthermore, you burn less fuel and save the reversers.
But I'm sure you knew that!
And if you've been at KA for three years, you're above me on seniority. Please feel free to resign yourself.
But I'm sure you knew that!
And if you've been at KA for three years, you're above me on seniority. Please feel free to resign yourself.
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Ya Zi, I suggest you need to read the book again on autobrake function. "A set deceleration rate" Your description is wrong. They maintain a selected deceleration rate. I wont go into detail about the dangers of habitually not using reverse thrust suffice it to say if you can't work that out for yourselves then you're definately in the wrong career. "QF1 etc" The point I'm making is that our COS are under constant attack from two directions. If you think this is not accurate then you must be with another Dragonair. Talk to the DPA comittee to get an accurate idea of the companies intention towards us. If on the other hand you're happy being treated as you are then good luck to you.
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I asked this question weeks ago: "Is Dragonair Hiring?" I got no replies. So, are you guys hiring? With China exploding economically, I would think that expansion for you guys would be through the roof...or is China just another an over-inflated bubble driven by consumer demand, ready to burst?
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A4G,
ˇ§I wont go into detail about the dangers of habitually not using reverse thrust suffice it to say if you can't work that out for yourselves then you're definately in the wrong career.ˇ¨
Could you explain the dangers in not using rev thrust?
QF1 occurred as a result of a VERY long touchdown and a high approach speed as a result of powering up for GA then deciding to continue with the landing. It was not because of rev thrust policy. Donˇ¦t muddy the waters.
ˇ§he point I'm making is that our COS are under constant attack from two directionsˇ¨
Can you name an airline where conditions of service are not under attack?
ˇ§alk to the DPA comittee to get an accurate idea of the companies intention towards usˇ¨
The companies intention towards us is totally irrelevant compared to what the company can actually do to us. Just because they donˇ¦t love you doesnˇ¦t mean they can just drop your pay.
Also, could you be precise in pointing out which of your defined conditions have been altered since you joined KA?
ˇ§I wont go into detail about the dangers of habitually not using reverse thrust suffice it to say if you can't work that out for yourselves then you're definately in the wrong career.ˇ¨
Could you explain the dangers in not using rev thrust?
QF1 occurred as a result of a VERY long touchdown and a high approach speed as a result of powering up for GA then deciding to continue with the landing. It was not because of rev thrust policy. Donˇ¦t muddy the waters.
ˇ§he point I'm making is that our COS are under constant attack from two directionsˇ¨
Can you name an airline where conditions of service are not under attack?
ˇ§alk to the DPA comittee to get an accurate idea of the companies intention towards usˇ¨
The companies intention towards us is totally irrelevant compared to what the company can actually do to us. Just because they donˇ¦t love you doesnˇ¦t mean they can just drop your pay.
Also, could you be precise in pointing out which of your defined conditions have been altered since you joined KA?
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(anqrka), my post is directed to those applying to have a talk to as many people as possible and have a think about bringing kids into this pollution and working for a company that is constantly trying to erode your conditions. $$$$ doesn't make you happy as we all know. i've said enough about KA's no rev ldg rubbish no fuel policy etc. Check all the accidents etc on the NTSB and TSB websites and you'll hopefully become more informed. If you still can't see a problem then let me know who you are so I dont let my friends or family ever get on your plane. My point is clear, the continual attacks on our COS has had a devistating effect on moral. If you dont care then goood for you. If you haven't noticed this taking place then I feal sorry for you. To those applying I say it's not the job it was a few years ago.
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“Check all the accidents etc on the NTSB and TSB websites and you'll hopefully become more informed”
As a former CRM facilitator I am well versed in airliner accident details.
I am keen for you to point out an accident that occurred as a result of rev thrust policy.
I am also still hoping you will point out exactly which of your conditions have been attacked.
Or is this just a generic airline pilot bitch session?
As a former CRM facilitator I am well versed in airliner accident details.
I am keen for you to point out an accident that occurred as a result of rev thrust policy.
I am also still hoping you will point out exactly which of your conditions have been attacked.
Or is this just a generic airline pilot bitch session?
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As a former CRM facilitator I am well versed in airliner accident details.
I am keen for you to point out an accident that occurred as a result of rev thrust policy.
I am keen for you to point out an accident that occurred as a result of rev thrust policy.
I am keen for YOU to point out an accident that has occurred as the result of one individual policy.
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anqrka i thought CRM was now TEM? Anyway I checked a few sites and found a lot of info on that particular topic. I guess you'd think it a good idea to buy aircraft without reverse alltogether. Sorry but i didn't post here to answer your stupid questions. I am simply advising anyone about to or thinking of joining KA to ask around and check for themselves. I have never worked at a place with worse moral with more uninspiring management. Make no mistake our conditions are under constant review by management looking to screw us at every oportunity. Don't take my word for it ask around.
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To be fair, you'll be hard pressed to find an airline in the world whose employees unanimously agree that their COS isn't constantly deteriorating, and that management doesn't try to screw them.
I think a lot of people are coming to HK just because the opportunities that exist everywhere else are just as bad, if not worse. I found that recently, there's been a much bigger American contingent here now in HK then there ever was, most suffering either from furloughs or Chapter 11-itis. Then there are those from the old world, particularly ex-SAS, Sabena, and Swiss folks who can't find a decent job back in the EU. You could of course try and get a job at either Easy or Ryanair, but I'm sure you've all heard of all the lovely stories. Then you have other airlines around here in Asia, who generally use expats like they're cheap whores.
Management can cut costs and give us worse COS, just because everyone else is doing it. Is it fair?
That's a can of worms I cannot fathom to answer. All I know is, before we all become management cynical, lets be a bit more objective with the way we look at things. I just find often that the broad stroke fights we pick aren't necessarily in line with reality. If we only picked our spots more intelligently, perhaps we won't be complaining so bitterly about being tired all the time.
However, I do agree with the pollution bit. If you have young children, it is something that you should consider. There are those who do commute because of this fact, but that lifestyle in itself certainly isn't the best.
I think a lot of people are coming to HK just because the opportunities that exist everywhere else are just as bad, if not worse. I found that recently, there's been a much bigger American contingent here now in HK then there ever was, most suffering either from furloughs or Chapter 11-itis. Then there are those from the old world, particularly ex-SAS, Sabena, and Swiss folks who can't find a decent job back in the EU. You could of course try and get a job at either Easy or Ryanair, but I'm sure you've all heard of all the lovely stories. Then you have other airlines around here in Asia, who generally use expats like they're cheap whores.
Management can cut costs and give us worse COS, just because everyone else is doing it. Is it fair?
That's a can of worms I cannot fathom to answer. All I know is, before we all become management cynical, lets be a bit more objective with the way we look at things. I just find often that the broad stroke fights we pick aren't necessarily in line with reality. If we only picked our spots more intelligently, perhaps we won't be complaining so bitterly about being tired all the time.
However, I do agree with the pollution bit. If you have young children, it is something that you should consider. There are those who do commute because of this fact, but that lifestyle in itself certainly isn't the best.
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Just reading this thread as an outsider hoping to get in. I've got the nod but no start date. (they said Jan 06 ish 330)
COS's are being eroded all over the world guys, but if ya look around, the hard take home money is on the up. We are all however having to work harder to earn a crust. Live with it. Rest assured it is not just a KA thing.
With regard to the pollution, is it just as bad if you live outside of central or is it coming in from mainline China? Cheers.
COS's are being eroded all over the world guys, but if ya look around, the hard take home money is on the up. We are all however having to work harder to earn a crust. Live with it. Rest assured it is not just a KA thing.
With regard to the pollution, is it just as bad if you live outside of central or is it coming in from mainline China? Cheers.
