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8th Dec 2023, 11:15
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

+ 1 ATC Watcher, very good summing up :ok: ...

+ 1 ATC Watcher, very good summing up :ok:

This incident has highlighted a practice that is not primarily safety driven.
6th Dec 2023, 14:53
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

OK, fair enough - but I have mentioned that in a...

OK, fair enough - but I have mentioned that in a previous post. Here, I was trying to think of the "WHYs" as you asked about earlier, rather than what did or did not happen. :ok:

However, I did...
6th Dec 2023, 10:21
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

KSFO have built parallel runways that are too...

KSFO have built parallel runways that are too close together, (probably owing to lack of space), to allow ILS approaches when both runways are in use simultaneously.

KSFO have decided to reduce...
2nd Dec 2023, 16:27
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

Not my line; Lufthansa's. And I would not presume...

Not my line; Lufthansa's. And I would not presume to know more about it than their safety department. :)
2nd Dec 2023, 11:11
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

LH can operate 24/7 and I would bet that all the...

LH can operate 24/7 and I would bet that all the inbounds to KSFO that night had filed IFR flight plans. It seems to be KSFO that cannot operate 24/7 unless they reduce safety margins.

If an...
1st Dec 2023, 13:53
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

And I am curious to know what happens if the...

And I am curious to know what happens if the weather goes below night visual limits e.g. under a TEMPO? You cannot issue slots to keep all the inbound transatlantic flights on the ground, because...
28th Nov 2023, 16:38
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

It's nothing to do with that. It's not because...

It's nothing to do with that. It's not because the pilots can't do night visuals, or don't want to do night visuals. This isn't an ego issue. And it isn't a weekend club fly-in, where you all swap...
25th Nov 2023, 11:15
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

I would think that going against SOPs that were...

I would think that going against SOPs that were created for safety reasons, when there wasn't a flight emergency situation, might be viewed by LH bosses as wilfully and deliberately endangering an...
14th Nov 2023, 12:51
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

Yep, could be. I think though that if the LH...

Yep, could be.

I think though that if the LH crew had been a bit more professional and less confrontational, then they would have probably had a much better outcome.

Saying something like...
14th Nov 2023, 10:53
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

But it's not up to us if our company flight...

But it's not up to us if our company flight safety department forbids it under certain circumstances. They have done the risk assessment.
14th Nov 2023, 10:08
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

Which ATC did, but unfortunately the LH had...

Which ATC did, but unfortunately the LH had forgotten to load extra holding fuel for contingencies. They could have committed to SFO, (two runways, good weather), and used their alternate fuel for...
13th Nov 2023, 22:12
Replies: 445
Views: 129,231
Posted By Uplinker

ATC are there to help and assist aircraft, so if...

ATC are there to help and assist aircraft, so if someone needs a different approach, that should be granted, as indeed the SFO ATC did. My reading of this is that it started entirely reasonably, with...
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