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13th Dec 2023, 09:12
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Where have I said speeds are optional? ...

Where have I said speeds are optional?


For the aircraft behind, yes. You’re conflating separation and sequencing, they’re not the same thing. I’ll requote what an NCT controller said for...
13th Dec 2023, 07:05
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

The responsibility for separation changes as soon...

The responsibility for separation changes as soon as you accept the visual separation, regardless of if or when you’re sped to. I can’t see any other way to interpret your initial statement, other...
10th Dec 2023, 13:55
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

I asked some US TRACON controllers after his last...

I asked some US TRACON controllers after his last post just to make sure I wasn’t losing my mind, tl;dr I’m not. More than happy to go into more detail but to avoid derailing things again, the most...
8th Dec 2023, 06:39
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

In the SFO perspective response video, they said...

In the SFO perspective response video, they said they treat it as though it’s asked for an opposite end approach. Why they’d choose to treat it like that I have absolutely no idea, and is why a lot...
6th Dec 2023, 11:14
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Agree with 1201alarm, in my view they sounded...

Agree with 1201alarm, in my view they sounded entirely professional up to that transmission, which itself came after 40 minutes of poorly explained and un-updated delay. It wasn’t like they rocked up...
6th Dec 2023, 07:23
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Finally. It all comes down to capacity, both of...

Finally. It all comes down to capacity, both of the controller and the airspace. It’s been well established this was a busy rush of scheduled planes so it will have been forecast on whatever traffic...
5th Dec 2023, 16:03
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

It does not matter. If they give you 160/4 (or...

It does not matter. If they give you 160/4 (or whatever they give), and what should be a 4nm gap to touchdown becomes a 3.7 when you’re on a visual, that’s on you not them. Sure, they’re not...
5th Dec 2023, 09:02
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

6.5.3.1: the crew has to agree to it ...

6.5.3.1: the crew has to agree to it

6.5.3.4: as in class B, visual approach means ATC responsible for separation, which is where visual separation comes in - entirely separate to the visual...
5th Dec 2023, 07:46
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Check Airman For balance it seems worth...

Check Airman

For balance it seems worth adding the next paragraph as well (5-4-4b):

“The purpose of this information is to aid the pilot in planning arrival actions; however, it is not an ATC...
4th Dec 2023, 19:32
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

I don’t have time to respond to your entire...

I don’t have time to respond to your entire manifesto right now, but since it starts so glaringly incorrectly…



I hate to be the one to break this to you… .65 reference...
4th Dec 2023, 15:26
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Haven’t checked the Greek docs, but to supply the...

Haven’t checked the Greek docs, but to supply the UK reference: CAP 493 (https://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP%20493%20Edition%2010%20(28%20March%202022).pdf)

S3 Ch1 12 (Visual Approach) .3:...
4th Dec 2023, 14:58
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

You’re confusing two different things: a visual...

You’re confusing two different things: a visual approach is still an IFR approach in the UK. An IFR approach which requires standard IFR separation. And, even if they did misspeak to begin with...
3rd Dec 2023, 17:59
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

.65 S9 ATIS Procedures...

.65 S9 ATIS Procedures (https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/atc_html/chap2_section_9.html)

2.9.3 Content e)
“Instrument/visual approach/es in use. Specify landing runway/s unless...
3rd Dec 2023, 08:32
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

They could have done a visual approach. That was...

They could have done a visual approach. That was not banned. The rules state ATC are responsible separation in Class B, there are no written exemptions for KSFO (that anyone has posted so far). They...
2nd Dec 2023, 06:55
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

I strongly suspect this isn’t down to an...

I strongly suspect this isn’t down to an individual controller, and is - as always - down to a combination of several things. High on the list would be the volume of traffic each controller is being...
30th Nov 2023, 17:59
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

From some of the comments in that video they're...

From some of the comments in that video they're in the habit of punishing both the aircraft and themselves.

"If they request something else we should accomodate them to the best of our ability,...
28th Nov 2023, 07:28
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

It might not be a micrometer but they would if...

It might not be a micrometer but they would if they could believe me. Defined, measured, separation is a huge, huge part of the job. It’s a massive core tenet of air traffic. It is not simply just a...
28th Nov 2023, 01:20
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

I’ve no clue about any of those things because...

I’ve no clue about any of those things because after about 300 comments we haven’t had anything at all constructive or useful added from that angle, just a load of conjecture that DLH should have...
27th Nov 2023, 21:40
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Assuming the video and the LiveATC mashup is...

Assuming the video and the LiveATC mashup is accurate: the video first has the DLH say they’re unable “visual approaches” at night at around 13,500ft. With a timestamp added of 0345z at 11,000ft the...
27th Nov 2023, 21:27
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Why are you focussed on the idea that they...

Why are you focussed on the idea that they expected it “right now” with no delay? They fully accepted there was going to be some delay. No one since has suggested otherwise. As Del Prado points out,...
27th Nov 2023, 20:53
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Why they need it is immaterial. It’s published as...

Why they need it is immaterial. It’s published as an available procedure, is it notified as being unavailable under certain conditions?
27th Nov 2023, 20:28
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Are you genuinely trying to say that if the sun’s...

Are you genuinely trying to say that if the sun’s out at your departure aerodrome then the entire route must be just peachy?
27th Nov 2023, 20:20
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

ergo: it wouldn’t matter whether visual...

ergo: it wouldn’t matter whether visual approaches were added to field 10 or not as it was not the visual approach that was the issue, it was the application by the pilot of visual separation. It...
27th Nov 2023, 17:44
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

All PukinDog’s hypotheticals seem to revolve...

All PukinDog’s hypotheticals seem to revolve around it being entirely DLHs fault for not doing things that they apparently should have done, despite those things not being written down anywhere, and...
27th Nov 2023, 16:01
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Firstly, if it’s special handling where is that...

Firstly, if it’s special handling where is that written down? There are multiple methods for notifying operators about local procedures and what to expect. Secondly, if the whole operation needs to...
27th Nov 2023, 09:49
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Another part of the “System” is publishing...

Another part of the “System” is publishing necessary information to operators in the AIP to allow them to know what to expect. In the rebuttal video the “controller” states they treated the DLH as...
24th Nov 2023, 22:06
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

For the first part of your post, I don’t say I...

For the first part of your post, I don’t say I didn’t believe a word they’d said (and you got one of the two wrong, although it appears there’s been either some self-deletion or moderation since). I...
24th Nov 2023, 10:58
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Especially since according to FAA 7110.308E...

Especially since according to FAA 7110.308E (12,f) (https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/JO_7110.308E_Simultaneous_Dependent_Approaches_to_CSPR.pdf) if one of a pair goes around then...
24th Nov 2023, 09:53
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

The ability to make a gap to work them into the...

The ability to make a gap to work them into the sequence for an ILS is a very similar task to fitting in a go around or dealing with an emergency - or at least it should be. Unless you’re also...
24th Nov 2023, 07:30
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

As I said at the time when stating the numbers, I...

As I said at the time when stating the numbers, I don’t really feel it’s relevant to the point at all for the most part. What is of more relevance, at least to me, was the absolute belief the two...
20th Nov 2023, 13:00
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

https://www.flysfo.com/sites/default/files/2023-01...

https://www.flysfo.com/sites/default/files/2023-01/Nov%202022%20and%20CYTD%20SFO%20Air%20Traffic%20Summary.pdf

The stats from the SFO website list total monthly tower operations in the first...
20th Nov 2023, 07:11
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

https://adip.faa.gov/agis/public/#/airportData/SFO...

https://adip.faa.gov/agis/public/#/airportData/SFO scroll to the bottom, lists 299,744 for 2022 for KSFO

https://www.caa.co.uk/Documents/Download/9116/47a460b2-0592-4ef7-b24b-aa5e27ccfce4/5623...
19th Nov 2023, 15:53
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

My use of “sides” is far too black and white for...

My use of “sides” is far too black and white for something that is obviously a lot more nuanced so appreciate that sentiment. Separation is a pretty defining characteristic of air traffic, and when...
19th Nov 2023, 14:34
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

I’ve watched that video, and disagree...

I’ve watched that video, and disagree wholeheartedly that they were given an appropriate level of service, whatever it claims. It was not treated with “routine priority”, it was dumped down the order...
17th Nov 2023, 07:27
Replies: 445
Views: 129,257
Posted By Request Orbit

Since you’ve brought up the subject of rest, a...

Since you’ve brought up the subject of rest, a bit of slightly off-topic background. Our standard is 6 on/4 off (6/3 for non-H24 units). The US standard is 5/2, however a lot of units are so short of...
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