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Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

28th Feb 2023, 16:27

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

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Posted By MPN11

Which brings us back to the beginning of the...

Which brings us back to the beginning of the circle. Even ignoring Cat III/II protections (which we should not in this case) would a sensible controller clear an ac to move on to the runway with an...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

27th Feb 2023, 14:13

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Concur completely. What was the rush to get SW...

Concur completely. What was the rush to get SW away?
”Hold, Cat III traffic on short final” and there’s no problem, apart from a <3 minute (?) delay to SW.
But that’s ‘controlling’, as opposed to...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

23rd Feb 2023, 14:21

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

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Posted By MPN11

Unlike ATC Watcher, I worked with female...

Unlike ATC Watcher, I worked with female controller colleagues from Day 1 [1965]. And, indeed, several of "ethnic origin" [can I say that these days?]. In both ATC and Fighter Control, females rose...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

23rd Feb 2023, 09:22

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Thank you for that enlightening input. As you...

Thank you for that enlightening input. As you noted, it may have no relevance to the case in hand here, but it does make you wonder.

In my previous life I held the RAF Staff policy appointment...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

20th Feb 2023, 18:27

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

All very enlightening, for which I thank the...

All very enlightening, for which I thank the learned members of this Forum. As a fairly active SLF, this is all good to know!

For this geriatric Mil controller ILS existed, but none of the Cat...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

14th Feb 2023, 18:17

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Controlling by assumptions is not...

Controlling by assumptions is not controlling..It’s guessing and hoping.

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

14th Feb 2023, 13:04

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Chiefttp … fair call. I had wondered, further...

Chiefttp … fair call. I had wondered, further upthread, whether a swift departure/takeoff by SW had become an ingrained expectation in the controller’s mind … however inappropriate it clearly was in...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

14th Feb 2023, 10:35

Replies: 488

NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Ha! I completely agree with your last point! I...

Ha! I completely agree with your last point! I waa focussed simply on the mechanics of this incident. As to comments about the controller involved, I have not bothered to find that 'other website'...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

13th Feb 2023, 19:23

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Trial by PPRuNe Jury continues! IMO,...

Trial by PPRuNe Jury continues!

IMO, regardless of EASA/NATS/CAA/whatevers, it was fundamentally stupid to clear the SW onto the runway in low vis conditions with an aircraft at 3 miles … which...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

9th Feb 2023, 08:51

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NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

As it appears from the audio that these were the...

As it appears from the audio that these were the only aircraft of frequency at the time, what was the rush? Is SW one of those airlines that has tight schedules, and usually scoots off at high speed...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

7th Feb 2023, 19:12

Replies: 488

NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

So, Members if the Jury, who is to blame for this...

So, Members if the Jury, who is to blame for this near catastrophic mid-air over the airport?

SW for taking too long to get moving?
FedX for trundling down the glideslope when cleared to land?...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

7th Feb 2023, 14:13

Replies: 488

NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

24 hours should be easily achievable, with modern...

24 hours should be easily achievable, with modern technology. The idea that a crew/system can delete relevant data seems so wrong.

I recall the huge magnetic tapes in ATC in the 70s … anything...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

6th Feb 2023, 18:05

Replies: 488

NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Which is why, in my former world, aircraft...

Which is why, in my former world, aircraft overhoot to the ‘dead side’ of the visual circuit. OK, big Civ airports don’t do that stuff, but just drilling down the centreline with somone seemingly...

Forum: Accidents and Close Calls

6th Feb 2023, 14:17

Replies: 488

NTSB to probe Fedex/Southwest close encounter at Austin

Views: 124,409

Posted By MPN11

Only 30 years as a Mil ATCO in UK, so the concept...

Only 30 years as a Mil ATCO in UK, so the concept of clearing an aircraft to land with an occupied runway ahead [especially in low-via conditions] strikes me as crazy. However, my experience of...

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