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Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
28th Jul 2013, 05:22
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Hey Bloggs. The ammended TAF was issued at...

Hey Bloggs.

The ammended TAF was issued at 2100Z. QF pushed back at 2109Z.

Why wasnt that information passed on at that stage from dispatch or indeed from ATC?

Bearing in mind that the...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
23rd Jul 2013, 07:02
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Neville Interesting thing that PAN call. I...

Neville

Interesting thing that PAN call. I mean what is it and is it defined by unambiguous objective criteria? Urgency. Pretty loose term that can mean different things to different people.
...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
20th Jul 2013, 01:09
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

The The, Agreed. Even worse have a...

The The,

Agreed.

Even worse have a look at the mildura metars that presumably these crew used in their decision to divert.

THEY WERE NOT AUTO METARS

So how did the BOM obtain the data...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
20th Jul 2013, 00:56
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

jabawocky If you do a search on the net you...

jabawocky

If you do a search on the net you will see that the melbourne weather was BKN003 with 4000mtrs vis.

Have a look at the TTF for melbourne and adelaide. Both indicating FM 2300 all...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 23:43
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

jabawocky This recurring theme that the...

jabawocky

This recurring theme that the crew should have realised that fog was going to be a problem is simply crystal ball bull****.

The problem here was that the forecasting was simply...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 08:33
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Gazumpy Lets get one thing clear. I think...

Gazumpy

Lets get one thing clear. I think that both crews did the best they could on the day.

They both found themselves with unforecast fog and no fuel to divert.
So it seems that they both...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 05:32
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

On the contrary gazumpy. I am not...

On the contrary gazumpy.

I am not crticising the virgin crew for descending below minima when they (by your account) did not yet have a fuel emergency. I think that was an appropriate course to...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 01:46
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

You guys just dont get it do you? Put...

You guys just dont get it do you?

Put yourselves in the QF drivers seat for a moment.

You arrive at the circuit and you know that aircraft have missed out on approaches to the minima. ... its...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
19th Jul 2013, 00:01
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Compylot The report does not detail the...

Compylot

The report does not detail the qantas discussions.

You have no way of knowing what the Qantas crew discussed so to make such a blanket assumption is absurd.

Nor do you have any...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 23:42
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Hey gazumpy you still there? I am waiting...

Hey gazumpy you still there?

I am waiting for your expert response.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 23:41
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Willadvise, That is correct. However...

Willadvise,

That is correct.

However the aircraft diverted to Mildura on the basis of the Metars. That is to say actual weather. Metars were not AUTO they were actual observations.

I dont...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 23:12
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Well well. Gazumpy seems to be gazumped?

Well well. Gazumpy seems to be gazumped?
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 23:02
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Go on Gazumpy. Enlighten me.

Go on Gazumpy. Enlighten me.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 22:56
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Deadly serious. The fuel state was not...

Deadly serious.

The fuel state was not quite at emergency. Right?

So why bust the minima? Which they did on first attempt.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 22:50
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

gazumpy my question to you remains unanswered.

gazumpy my question to you remains unanswered.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 22:47
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

You have not answered my question. Why not...

You have not answered my question.

Why not land off the first attempt given that as you claim they were already compromised with regards to FFR.

Why risk a flameout on a second attempt.
...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
18th Jul 2013, 22:30
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

So by your expert calculations the Virgin guys...

So by your expert calculations the Virgin guys would have been landing with less than FFR on the first attempt.

If thats the case why not land?

Why go around and run a serious risk of flaming...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
13th Jul 2013, 06:30
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

:confused:

:confused:
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
12th Jul 2013, 01:38
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

YMIA is indeed a Cat C airport. This means that...

YMIA is indeed a Cat C airport. This means that for the 738 it would not be PLANNED as an alternate. This does not mean that it cannot be USED as an alternate.
It is not defined as an emergency...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
11th Jul 2013, 09:46
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

So the VA gets to mildura 10 maybe more minutes...

So the VA gets to mildura 10 maybe more minutes ahead of the QF.
What was the VA doing in the circuit for those 10 minutes before QF turned up?
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
28th Jun 2013, 03:50
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Thats pretty thorough FYSTI. From your info...

Thats pretty thorough FYSTI.

From your info it appears that Virgin diverted at 2306Z and QF diverted at 2315Z.

Do you have the METARS for Mildura at that time?

Would be interesting to...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
28th Jun 2013, 00:14
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

Great job Kharon! So in your post you...

Great job Kharon!

So in your post you essentially accuse these crew of :

Being irresponsible for rellying on BOM TAF and METAR information in deciding their fuel uplift.

You accuse them...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
23rd Jun 2013, 04:24
Replies: 838
Views: 648,417
Posted By tenretni

The interesting bit is that the YMIA TAF did not...

The interesting bit is that the YMIA TAF did not have a prob fog on it either.

Huston we have a bigger problem.
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