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27th Nov 2023, 02:51
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

If YOU were involved in a mid air YOU would just...

If YOU were involved in a mid air YOU would just assume that because you are flying at the moment YOUR aeroplane would hang together and so YOU would fly over built up areas even though Avalon is...
27th Nov 2023, 02:48
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yep, still straw manning. If YOU were involved...

Yep, still straw manning.
If YOU were involved in a mid air mid Port Phillip Bay and Avalon was available, you would pass that up and go to home base? Even given all the other alternatives require...
27th Nov 2023, 02:45
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Which would be?

Which would be?
27th Nov 2023, 02:30
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yeah, the first time in 5 years I've had a...

Yeah, the first time in 5 years I've had a reaction where "professionals" don't want to address an issue. Instead, I've been inundated with ad-hominem and strawman attacks.
This forum has gone down...
27th Nov 2023, 02:09
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yep, and there's the strawman and the ad-hominem...

Yep, and there's the strawman and the ad-hominem attack.
So rather than addressing the point about the availability of another aerodrome and how the Mayday was acted upon by Melbourne Control, you...
27th Nov 2023, 01:31
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Am I criticizing the pilot? Or ATC for that...

Am I criticizing the pilot? Or ATC for that matter? No. As you quoted me I said "here we are Thursday night", so we can look at scenarios like that and have a think about what we might do.
He did...
27th Nov 2023, 00:36
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yeah, Sully, NOT. Sully could have chosen to turn...

Yeah, Sully, NOT. Sully could have chosen to turn back to the airport he took off from, but took the option to land in the river rather than risk crashing into a built up area.
It's not the pilot of...
26th Nov 2023, 22:09
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Regarding a wing falling off messing up your day,...

Regarding a wing falling off messing up your day, that's exactly right. But why mess up someone else's day as well? If you're in doubt, then you should act on it. So hugging the coast and asking for...
25th Nov 2023, 05:56
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Ofcourse they could have done a controllability...

Ofcourse they could have done a controllability check post airframe damage. The PIC still had concerns about his airframe (checking for debris on the runway), and there was still a suitable airport...
25th Nov 2023, 05:04
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yeah, it's all about the CV, no need to consider...

Yeah, it's all about the CV, no need to consider the argument. It's just all ad-hominem attacks...
25th Nov 2023, 03:58
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yeah, nah. How does the pilot sitting in the...

Yeah, nah.
How does the pilot sitting in the command seat assess the damage to the wing-spar, or tail section? Do you recall the Embry-Riddle Uni PA-28R that lost a wing during circuits? That flight...
25th Nov 2023, 01:53
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Ummmm, no. It is not pedantic to review how we...

Ummmm, no. It is not pedantic to review how we should use radio distress calls (and this is not just an Australian issue :ugh:). The distinctions are important. Once upon a time most pilots would...
25th Nov 2023, 01:47
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Mayday is for imminent danger, an immediate...

Mayday is for imminent danger, an immediate threat to the vehicle or life. Pan is an urgency call for assistance that is not an immediate threat or danger.
e.g....
24th Nov 2023, 19:48
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Exactly my understanding. Yes, there's the heat...

Exactly my understanding.
Yes, there's the heat in the moment. Not blaming the surviving pilot, I might have done the same.

ATC asking him to squawk ident seems to be that ATC wants to locate the...
24th Nov 2023, 19:37
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

No argument. Just an attempt at an ad-hominem...

No argument. Just an attempt at an ad-hominem swipe and in the process dragging a professional network down to the level of twitter. Congrats
24th Nov 2023, 12:10
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

You can get the right outcome using the wrong...

You can get the right outcome using the wrong process, so just reciting the outcome is insufficient.

There was a Mayday in the radio call. But for whom? Was he calling Mayday for the other...
24th Nov 2023, 01:43
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yeah, right, I just watch movies. Go back up...

Yeah, right, I just watch movies.

Go back up the thread and you see someone ask about other airports. Immediately, you experts jump on the person asking the question as some sort of personal...
23rd Nov 2023, 18:20
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

You really don't want to understand the point,...

You really don't want to understand the point, eh?

In FUTURE midairs, if pilots are unsure of the extent of the damage to their aircraft, they should declare a Mayday and consider alternative...
23rd Nov 2023, 12:24
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

....and let's learn nothing in the meantime? ...

....and let's learn nothing in the meantime?

Imagine an alternative possible scenario. A part of the returning aircraft's airframe breaking off as the aircraft flew over Port Melbourne on its way...
23rd Nov 2023, 10:27
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yeah, and feel like you have tried everything...

Yeah, and feel like you have tried everything within your capabilities to NOT goof.
So I never kid myself that I made the best decision when clearly there was a better one. It's called learning....
23rd Nov 2023, 10:11
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yeah, that was lucky Listen to the recording...

Yeah, that was lucky
Listen to the recording further up the thread. He also told ATC that there may be more damage to the aircraft that he knew about. So Thursday night we can listen to that...
23rd Nov 2023, 09:56
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

I'm not piling on the surviving pilot. Was...

I'm not piling on the surviving pilot.

Was it the best option? Maybe, maybe not.

But on Thursday we can look at it again with a clear mind. The point is that there are Monday morning...
23rd Nov 2023, 06:44
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Yes, that's my point. I'm just wondering how some...

Yes, that's my point. I'm just wondering how some people here view their own decision making.
If you listen to the ATC audio the pilot of the "Viper" aircraft tells Melbourne control that he intends...
23rd Nov 2023, 06:09
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

Why would they need emergency services?

Why would they need emergency services?
23rd Nov 2023, 05:15
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

An experienced pilot can't cope with landing at a...

An experienced pilot can't cope with landing at a >3000m N/S runway? You think he might not be able to find it?
I see.
23rd Nov 2023, 05:13
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

So overfly densely populated area is not a...

So overfly densely populated area is not a problem because the flight is safe. But go to home base because it's an emergency is an issue.
I see.
23rd Nov 2023, 03:50
Replies: 409
Views: 112,340
Posted By WetCompass

YMAV

And 3048m at YMAV. But hey, overfly the city and inform the tower to watch out for anything that might fall off the aircraft.
21st Feb 2020, 10:08
Replies: 702
Views: 1,832,177
Posted By WetCompass

My experience might be out-of-date, but on an IFR...

My experience might be out-of-date, but on an IFR renewal (last millennium) I had to fly from MB to Cowes to fly the NDB and then a DME approach back into MB. On the way down to Cowes it was real...
21st Feb 2020, 04:05
Replies: 702
Views: 1,832,177
Posted By WetCompass

Well said, my concern as well. Given the ATSB's...

Well said, my concern as well.
Given the ATSB's very thorough report will take a number of years before being released, it might be useful for the knowledgable sirs on this forum to perhaps brain...
24th Sep 2018, 04:09
Replies: 1,350
Views: 590,402
Posted By WetCompass

So if we follow that reasoning should there be a...

So if we follow that reasoning should there be a recommendation to line all airports with buildings to protect the roads?
25th Jul 2018, 23:25
Replies: 25
Views: 5,103
Posted By WetCompass

Hi Clare, earlier you wrote "The employers that...

Hi Clare, earlier you wrote "The employers that insist on sham contracting and the people that accept it are also a blight on GA."
Let's say all the pilots in GA agreed not to accept sham contracts,...
24th Jul 2018, 23:43
Replies: 25
Views: 5,103
Posted By WetCompass

Both sides of the argument fall over somewhere....

Both sides of the argument fall over somewhere. For example:

It has been said in this thread that pilots accepting work below award are damaging the industry because they are offering a discount...
22nd Jul 2018, 02:05
Replies: 2
Views: 817
Posted By WetCompass

Hey Lead Balloon, I hope you are not serious...

Hey Lead Balloon, I hope you are not serious about blaming individual pilots. The point of the article might be summed up in the paragraph:
'For example, if most of the team can handle a night shift...
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