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18th Jul 2012, 08:51
Replies: 266
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Posted By Jakey

You might wanna wait until you see what I've...

You might wanna wait until you see what I've written....

Even old William got a fairish hearing, yeah?

x
18th Jul 2012, 07:54
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Morning boys.. I floated this on 4 or 5...

Morning boys..

I floated this on 4 or 5 forums yesterday- most agreed, save for this one. I wanted to prove that there is a totally different perspective and slightly warped perspective about this...
17th Jul 2012, 21:03
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Milo Maybe not as much knowledge as you...

Milo

Maybe not as much knowledge as you clearly, but I did see the human tragedy it causes and continues to cause, which is huge.
17th Jul 2012, 20:49
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Avioniker, I gander no support, as...

Avioniker,

I gander no support, as everything I've seen convinces me further; as every single argument against the actions of the captain is frighteningly weak. Even on a Military forum it's tough...
17th Jul 2012, 20:45
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

General wisdom is that US desperate to have Lib...

General wisdom is that US desperate to have Lib and Iran onside for war v Saddam? A deal would be struck.
17th Jul 2012, 20:41
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

No, but you clearly are!!

No, but you clearly are!!
17th Jul 2012, 20:36
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

I'm actually not that worried about cred after...

I'm actually not that worried about cred after reading some of the opinions on here.

It's a million miles away from almost everyone else's opinion I've ever encountered on the matter.
17th Jul 2012, 20:33
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Actually, I retract- you are right. It was,...

Actually, I retract- you are right.

It was, more accurately an act of war.
17th Jul 2012, 20:26
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Biggus That is the whole argument in a...

Biggus

That is the whole argument in a nutshell.

The captain judged on military protocol. Had he have accepted he was acting without any form of international manifesto, in foreign and...
17th Jul 2012, 20:21
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

As someone English, I fail to see how we can...

As someone English, I fail to see how we can realistically own Islands the other side of the world. Or really fairly want to.*

It's like the Isle of Wight being owned by China.

(*unless of...
17th Jul 2012, 20:15
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Lonewolf, Whilst I disagree firmly with some...

Lonewolf,

Whilst I disagree firmly with some of your views, I would at least totally agree with you about politics, and the greed for power and wealth.

At the end of the day, this was all about...
17th Jul 2012, 20:07
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

FOAD, the ship was in Iranian waters (a fact the...

FOAD, the ship was in Iranian waters (a fact the US military tried at one point to actually misrepresent!). It fired on an Iranian civilian aircraft, without any certainty it was a) attacking them b)...
17th Jul 2012, 20:01
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Shy Talk You're either taking the p*ss or...

Shy Talk

You're either taking the p*ss or you're a troll?

Surely no-one could possibly agree with me on this?
17th Jul 2012, 19:58
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Occam's razor, Airpolice. Don't cut your own...

Occam's razor, Airpolice.

Don't cut your own throat (or own argument) with it.
17th Jul 2012, 19:51
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Oh and also, surely, and obviously from the...

Oh and also, surely, and obviously from the ripostes on here, there's loads of experienced servicemen reading this, the attack profile of an incoming military jet is wholly and entirely different to...
17th Jul 2012, 19:46
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Can I ask a hypothetical question? (I will...

Can I ask a hypothetical question? (I will anyway...)

If that was a US airliner shot down in US waters by an Iranian ship, how would the Americans have reacted?

What would they have done?
17th Jul 2012, 19:29
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Agreed. Also, the valuation disparity in...

Agreed. Also, the valuation disparity in compensation between 655 and Pan Am 103 is utterly laughable.

And without question it would be considered terrorism by many.

The old adage- one man's...
17th Jul 2012, 19:16
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

WW I actually spent a lot of time in Viet...

WW

I actually spent a lot of time in Viet Nam over the last 24 months.

I was utterly applled at many things, and moreover, moreso with regard to Pol Pot next door in Cambodia (as an aside, the...
17th Jul 2012, 19:07
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

@Willard Whyte (great handle- just watch what...

@Willard Whyte (great handle- just watch what cologne you're wearing...)





On January 31, 2004, a victim's rights group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim%27s_rights_group), the Vietnam...
17th Jul 2012, 19:03
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Lonewolf, I believe you've spent quite a lot...

Lonewolf,

I believe you've spent quite a lot of time on this thread insulting both me personally and also the UK. Right from the off.

I haven't insulted America, but I have cast doubt upon the...
17th Jul 2012, 18:52
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

It would be good if the US were paying the...

It would be good if the US were paying the compensation they owe the people of Viet Nam for the atrocities they committed.

Agent Orange is still causing havoc over there, and that's deplorable too.
17th Jul 2012, 18:49
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Lonewolf I really am speechless at your...

Lonewolf

I really am speechless at your stupidity.

This was a rogue ship, with no agenda, no empowerment firing shots off like Yosemite Sam in a saloon bar, and you think that is justifiable?
...
17th Jul 2012, 18:43
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

@MFC Yes, in that situation, I believe...

@MFC

Yes, in that situation, I believe absolutely that military personnel have less value than civilians, simply as they have signed up to a choice, and the civilians have not.
17th Jul 2012, 18:41
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

I am not sure what a foul sweep is but assume...

I am not sure what a foul sweep is but assume it's similar to a fell swoop.

Nevertheless, I have not insulted anyone. I have merely stated my choice, which is my right. So a little less...
17th Jul 2012, 18:34
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

I find it incredibly sad that such low value is...

I find it incredibly sad that such low value is placed upon human life by the military.

This is why I would never support a military charity or something of that ilk. In a democratic society, if...
17th Jul 2012, 18:25
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

KA007- absolutely the same. However, I would...

KA007- absolutely the same.

However, I would genuinely hope that a civilised and westernised nation would have greater moral compass.
17th Jul 2012, 18:24
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Whilst I appreciate your clear articulation of...

Whilst I appreciate your clear articulation of the issues, there is a huge degree of paranoia there.

You also fail to realise that the US ship had NO right to fire on anything, if the truth be...
17th Jul 2012, 17:46
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Flightmech ...

Flightmech






All fine...however, I would comment, that it would have been far more preferable...
17th Jul 2012, 17:42
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

I actually fail to see where I've posted anything...

I actually fail to see where I've posted anything that is anti-American, other than factual examples of their conduct in this instance.

Criticising something a nation has done because you believe...
17th Jul 2012, 17:33
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Airpolice And look what happened to Nathan? ...

Airpolice

And look what happened to Nathan?

It's rare that Hollywood has a greater sense of moral issues than the real world, but in this case they succeeded.
17th Jul 2012, 17:30
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Con-Pilot :D Ever considered that the...

Con-Pilot

:D

Ever considered that the apology was requested AFTER the actual event and enquiry?

Like when GWB had taken office?

Are you sure I should be embarrassed? Or should I be...
17th Jul 2012, 17:16
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

By the way- when questioned re an apology, this...

By the way- when questioned re an apology, this was GWB's response, which says it all....
17th Jul 2012, 17:14
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Are you serious? There was no F14. At all. Ever.

Are you serious? There was no F14. At all. Ever.
17th Jul 2012, 17:09
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

Airpolice- a lot of that I agree with as it...

Airpolice- a lot of that I agree with as it happens....save for the bit about 800 hours in uniform etc...if people want to (and are daft enough to) work in those positions, it comes with the...
17th Jul 2012, 17:04
Replies: 266
Views: 43,985
Posted By Jakey

No. The information was not false. It was badly...

No. The information was not false. It was badly interpreted, shockingly researched (e.g. the flight departures log), and, even when there was doubt in virtually everyone's mind, he took an...
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