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Playing devil's advocate here........ what if the FO HAD previously tried the "person to person" approach, or other informal methods, which may not have worked? Without knowing the facts, there's a lot of mud being thrown!
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I did not give any advise to the First Officer, he simply packed his flight kit and walked off the flight at an intermediate stop...the Flight Engineer's only comment at the time was..."wonder what's wrong with this turkey?"Up to this point...he said nothing. It did not help his case that the resulting flight was delayed two hours.
That is why the reaction by the fleet manager was the way it was....a crew member is NOT expected to simply walk off a flight...and expect to keep his job.
Come to think of it...had another copilot "walk off" as well, but this time he told the fleet manager that...."I don't care about company policy, it is my right to smoke on the flight deck". This was in dispatch before the flight commenced. His rather rude comments to the fleet manager resulted in (hardly surprising)... dismissal. If you tweek the tail of the tiger...you get bitten.
Sadly...some guys never learn.
I did not give any advise to the First Officer, he simply packed his flight kit and walked off the flight at an intermediate stop...the Flight Engineer's only comment at the time was..."wonder what's wrong with this turkey?"Up to this point...he said nothing. It did not help his case that the resulting flight was delayed two hours.
That is why the reaction by the fleet manager was the way it was....a crew member is NOT expected to simply walk off a flight...and expect to keep his job.
Come to think of it...had another copilot "walk off" as well, but this time he told the fleet manager that...."I don't care about company policy, it is my right to smoke on the flight deck". This was in dispatch before the flight commenced. His rather rude comments to the fleet manager resulted in (hardly surprising)... dismissal. If you tweek the tail of the tiger...you get bitten.
Sadly...some guys never learn.
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One of the many recurring themes here on pprune...we dont all get on do we?Nothing unusual in that I guess..why should aviation be different to any other profession?However,I dont subscribe to the view that CRM = democracy on the flightdeck,I dont like the way you do things,I am going to tell the CP when I get home.NO!The Commander is the pilot-incommand.The buck stops with him.But a good commander solicits advice and welcomes an eagle-eyed FO.And a good FO knows how to air his concern..ie forecfully and diplomatically.
411a is correct on this one...airlines who dont stand by their Captains invite very bad luck.Its a superstition thing I guess but valid today as it has ever been.
When I was a FO,I flew with some older guys who didnt seem very switched on....but they were.I just couldnt see the poetry they were showing me.95% of the time I was glad I kept my mouth shut and tried to learn something.The other 5% you figure out for yourself as you go along,but such are the joys of flying.
But never take it to the CP unless all else fails.
411a is correct on this one...airlines who dont stand by their Captains invite very bad luck.Its a superstition thing I guess but valid today as it has ever been.
When I was a FO,I flew with some older guys who didnt seem very switched on....but they were.I just couldnt see the poetry they were showing me.95% of the time I was glad I kept my mouth shut and tried to learn something.The other 5% you figure out for yourself as you go along,but such are the joys of flying.
But never take it to the CP unless all else fails.
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Right..........!!!!!! thats it, I cannot stay quiet/lurking any longer.
411A, who/what are you??? I challenge you as a man (presumably) to reveal yourself as your profile says nothing. Go on justify your experience & vast knowledge. "37 years in aviation blah de blah, I know it all, I have all the answers, etc ,etc."
Why are you not running a multi billion Dollar/Euro/Pound, International airline????
You seem to be from other posts scrabbling around (WHY??) in a 50,s technology 4 engined wonderjet Lockheed Jetstar. Are you serious?? As an apprentice engineer in the early 70,s we had a Jetstar to play with for a short time. What a laugh, I have to admit it was a "double-hard" looking piece of kit; but was antiquated then. No wonder you have to give your Customers (yes!! as a "International jet Captain" they are extremely important to me as well) as much Jack Daniels as they want....
BUT my BIG question is....
Why have YOU had two F/O,s walk off the flight deck under your command??? Yes, yes we all know already that your response will be total innocence & they were guilty at & fault. But maybe once in your life, take some advice and look at the way you deal respond to others(I am talking from my own F**k-ups and exp here); maybe their actions were wrong but what broke in your relationship at the time to precipitate their response? Maybe? between the two of you, he got so "jacked-off" (can I say that?) that the result was inappropiate.
Jeez, sorry I think I am going to cry
Aren`t we all big enough to normally see a bit a "situation" developing and call time out for a real or metaphorical beer??
Still I agree with a lot of the posts that a flight deck is not a democracy & no one should go snivelling to management if there is any other way to resolve a problem. (we in a previously "popular" airline have had the same situation) Go talk to your Rep/tame Skipper/mates, before using "the last card".
AAAAAAhhhhhhhhh that feels better.
Adios Toro..
411A, who/what are you??? I challenge you as a man (presumably) to reveal yourself as your profile says nothing. Go on justify your experience & vast knowledge. "37 years in aviation blah de blah, I know it all, I have all the answers, etc ,etc."
Why are you not running a multi billion Dollar/Euro/Pound, International airline????
You seem to be from other posts scrabbling around (WHY??) in a 50,s technology 4 engined wonderjet Lockheed Jetstar. Are you serious?? As an apprentice engineer in the early 70,s we had a Jetstar to play with for a short time. What a laugh, I have to admit it was a "double-hard" looking piece of kit; but was antiquated then. No wonder you have to give your Customers (yes!! as a "International jet Captain" they are extremely important to me as well) as much Jack Daniels as they want....
BUT my BIG question is....
Why have YOU had two F/O,s walk off the flight deck under your command??? Yes, yes we all know already that your response will be total innocence & they were guilty at & fault. But maybe once in your life, take some advice and look at the way you deal respond to others(I am talking from my own F**k-ups and exp here); maybe their actions were wrong but what broke in your relationship at the time to precipitate their response? Maybe? between the two of you, he got so "jacked-off" (can I say that?) that the result was inappropiate.
Jeez, sorry I think I am going to cry
Aren`t we all big enough to normally see a bit a "situation" developing and call time out for a real or metaphorical beer??
Still I agree with a lot of the posts that a flight deck is not a democracy & no one should go snivelling to management if there is any other way to resolve a problem. (we in a previously "popular" airline have had the same situation) Go talk to your Rep/tame Skipper/mates, before using "the last card".
AAAAAAhhhhhhhhh that feels better.
Adios Toro..
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Everybody talks about CRM. Where is the CRM in this tread. A lot of you get defensive. Thats not an attitude that works well with CRM. Sorry couldnt help it. I am "just" a co-pilot or F/O or what ever. Does that mean that I cant recognise when the teamspirit goes down the drain or when a situation turn sour. I had some serious problems with a captain in the company. My problems came as a result of this captains lack of basic skills, knowing procedures as well as bad personality (in my opinion) I had some should I call it "arguments" where he among other things told me that "I wasnt fun to fly with. I made him nervous" But I really tried good CRM and not to mention ALL his misups(during flight) things like forgetting to put on/off the landing lights consequently (yes I know we all forget BUT NOT 6 OUT OF 8 TIMES). Switching on/of the wrong buttons and heeps of other stuff that I dont even want to mention. I really shall consider what and how I say it not to affend him.
I tried to talk with this guy as some of you have mentioned would be only natural but he refused to take notice of it and claimed that I was just a pain in the a.. After a few days of thinking I consulted one of our senior captain and he gave me some advise. I was not the only one having problem with this guy. I had recently flown with him again and I must say that I see the situation quit different now. I more like feel sorry for him and try to help him. But he still pi.... me of badly and I do not hesitate to tell him that.
morale: dont be afraid to speak up and confront your coleaques if they p.. you of.
I tried to talk with this guy as some of you have mentioned would be only natural but he refused to take notice of it and claimed that I was just a pain in the a.. After a few days of thinking I consulted one of our senior captain and he gave me some advise. I was not the only one having problem with this guy. I had recently flown with him again and I must say that I see the situation quit different now. I more like feel sorry for him and try to help him. But he still pi.... me of badly and I do not hesitate to tell him that.
morale: dont be afraid to speak up and confront your coleaques if they p.. you of.
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Check 'Six' -- JEEZ!! A bad day for the South-African community??
Hmm was this person maybe also a Hetero-Sexual MALE? Shouldn't this be a bad day for all hetero sexual male pilots then? .....
Hmm was this person maybe also a Hetero-Sexual MALE? Shouldn't this be a bad day for all hetero sexual male pilots then? .....
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Oh Boy! oh boy! oh boy!...toro and big rock,hot rock or whatever you call yourself...you are both complete A..holes! And don't think that any captains reading your nonsence would think otherwise! But , hey ,what would I and other long time captains know ! You and all the other apprentices out there know it all don't you?...don't you? 
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Sorry if I stepped on somebody´s something. I was too naive I asumed that my little situation could help some of our coleagues who were afraid to speak up and kept there anger to them self.
The guys that really needs the CRM-course doesnt really understand them anyway.
Co-pilot OR captain, if something is wrong you MUST speak up.
The guys that really needs the CRM-course doesnt really understand them anyway.
Co-pilot OR captain, if something is wrong you MUST speak up.
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Amos2....Please re-read my albeit heated message, I was an apprentice in the 70,s, since then 22 years of commercial flying time and 18 in command(including 6 years in your neck of the woods). I agreed with 411a et al in many ways, eg pax being very important, communication, crm etc. I even admitted through my own experience of f**k-ups. within flight deck personality misunderstandings. What I want to get across is that we all jump to conclusions (like you have now) without establishing all of the facts and generally start from our own entrenched positions. Which if may suggest within civil aviation could and has had catastrophic repercussions........Toro.
Good ROC...sorry that you amongst many others has experienced what this thread is about, your response seems correct and a mature response. The only thing I would suggest is to modify the word "confront" maybe "dialogue" ????
A very wise Captain said to me years ago "remember 50% of the a**e h***s sit in the left hand seat" ergo they are not Capt,s or F/o,s specifically.
Good ROC...sorry that you amongst many others has experienced what this thread is about, your response seems correct and a mature response. The only thing I would suggest is to modify the word "confront" maybe "dialogue" ????
A very wise Captain said to me years ago "remember 50% of the a**e h***s sit in the left hand seat" ergo they are not Capt,s or F/o,s specifically.
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411A,
It’s a pleasure to read your messages because you are always unafraid to express your opinion and invariably you go direct to the main point with a good sense of humor.
However, I’m not sure you’re correct using your personal experience as a general rule concerning initiatives from crew members of any kind. Without changing perceptions and an old-fashioned aviation culture - as we can see in many major airlines everywhere -, every investment in safety, Team Resource Management, etc., will be a waste of time and money. Different ways to improve communication among employees must be encouraged and a professional attitude must be in the first place, there’s no space for complacency, and absolutely, it’s not a stimulus for a tough dispute among informers of bad character because we can find them even today. Many accidents could be avoided and several lives preserved if an improper behavior from many pilots have been detected in advanced. We can read a lot of accident reports stating: "…The captain was described by his colleagues as rude and had a poor skill in communicating with crew members, etc., etc…" , but usually there weren’t any formal reports.
Captains, seniors or not, must always use their leadership trying to keep a good attitude from anyone involved in the operation but they can’t use their position to prevail upon a person of lower rank or use it as a form of oppression or revenge.
Regards.
It’s a pleasure to read your messages because you are always unafraid to express your opinion and invariably you go direct to the main point with a good sense of humor.
However, I’m not sure you’re correct using your personal experience as a general rule concerning initiatives from crew members of any kind. Without changing perceptions and an old-fashioned aviation culture - as we can see in many major airlines everywhere -, every investment in safety, Team Resource Management, etc., will be a waste of time and money. Different ways to improve communication among employees must be encouraged and a professional attitude must be in the first place, there’s no space for complacency, and absolutely, it’s not a stimulus for a tough dispute among informers of bad character because we can find them even today. Many accidents could be avoided and several lives preserved if an improper behavior from many pilots have been detected in advanced. We can read a lot of accident reports stating: "…The captain was described by his colleagues as rude and had a poor skill in communicating with crew members, etc., etc…" , but usually there weren’t any formal reports.
Captains, seniors or not, must always use their leadership trying to keep a good attitude from anyone involved in the operation but they can’t use their position to prevail upon a person of lower rank or use it as a form of oppression or revenge.
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Typical of 411A and his ilk !
Immediately blame the FO as the Atlantic Baron in the Left seat must never be questioned EH ???
Obviously CRM broke down for some reason and at least somebody had the balls to do something about it instead of stewing. The Management has the responsibility to sort out the wheat from the chaff !!!
Imagine the incidents and accidents that would never have occured had the FO said or done something instead of worrying about the Grumpy old dear on his left feeling threatened ???
Proactive move ! Safety First !!!
Stop whining about an FO who did something !!!
Immediately blame the FO as the Atlantic Baron in the Left seat must never be questioned EH ???
Obviously CRM broke down for some reason and at least somebody had the balls to do something about it instead of stewing. The Management has the responsibility to sort out the wheat from the chaff !!!
Imagine the incidents and accidents that would never have occured had the FO said or done something instead of worrying about the Grumpy old dear on his left feeling threatened ???
Proactive move ! Safety First !!!
Stop whining about an FO who did something !!!
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Obviously a sensitive topic.
Does anyone know whether the F/O tried talking to the Captain first?
No.
Does anyone know if this Captain is a serious problem with other F/O's and this F/O stood up for those who should have in the past?
No.
Does anyone know why the F/O "dobbed" to the company?
No.
The idea of making broad sweeping statements is bloody odd then, but standard for PPRuNe.
If my F/O dobbed on me I'd be mortified, but it happened, and the consequences were resounding for both of us.
I had a good look in the mirror and changed a few things, whilst the F/O languishes in the mists of obscurity that goes with egotistical assumptions of greatness, hidden behind a cloak of cowardice.
The dobbing doesn't always work, but this EK business may not have been that clear cut; only EK management know.
Thanks to my boss then, and I imagine that EK being a world class operator will respond appropriately in this instance.
Does anyone know whether the F/O tried talking to the Captain first?
No.
Does anyone know if this Captain is a serious problem with other F/O's and this F/O stood up for those who should have in the past?
No.
Does anyone know why the F/O "dobbed" to the company?
No.
The idea of making broad sweeping statements is bloody odd then, but standard for PPRuNe.
If my F/O dobbed on me I'd be mortified, but it happened, and the consequences were resounding for both of us.
I had a good look in the mirror and changed a few things, whilst the F/O languishes in the mists of obscurity that goes with egotistical assumptions of greatness, hidden behind a cloak of cowardice.
The dobbing doesn't always work, but this EK business may not have been that clear cut; only EK management know.
Thanks to my boss then, and I imagine that EK being a world class operator will respond appropriately in this instance.
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Very few captains were born into the left seat, although I know a few think they should have been. All but a few captains had to do time in the right seat for a while.
Many airlines have F/O's that have 3 times the experience that the captains do, including command time. but because of hiring, they are in the right seat.
With that said, does the Captain have any more pull with the company than the F/O? This should never become a pissing match! I don't like everyone I fly with, and god knows I hate to admit it, but I'm sure some folks don't like the idea of being paired with me, but we are supposedly pro's and we deal with it! we get along and get the job done.
Now, with a captain who could have had my fat butt violated 9 times in two weeks, something has to be done. Were talking about missing crossing restrictions, flagrant speed violations, turning the opposite direction, not turning on an airway when he should have,but 25 miles later. I finally had to go to the chief pilot, and found that the hardest thing I've ever had to do. 4 months later when all the other F'O's had enough of the same stuff, they too had a chat with the chief pilot.
Way back when, when a lot of folks who sat in the right seat were warm bodies, I might be able to see the captain being god, but not today! We all get the Violation letter from the FAA or CAA or whatever branch you have. I am not going to sit still and let some egotistical butthead get me killed or violated!!!!!!
Now, with the likes of the captains who think they are God, what were they, when they were in the right seat???
Many nations have the F/O's do the same simrides that the captains do, are they not as qualified as the captain?? are they all just stupid warm bodies in the right seat? I think not!!
I would not want to fly with a F/O who said nothing, as much as I would not want to fly with a captain who can't admit he may be wrong!!
Remember, Don't become the pilot who you once hated to fly with!
Sorry about the rant!!
Many airlines have F/O's that have 3 times the experience that the captains do, including command time. but because of hiring, they are in the right seat.
With that said, does the Captain have any more pull with the company than the F/O? This should never become a pissing match! I don't like everyone I fly with, and god knows I hate to admit it, but I'm sure some folks don't like the idea of being paired with me, but we are supposedly pro's and we deal with it! we get along and get the job done.
Now, with a captain who could have had my fat butt violated 9 times in two weeks, something has to be done. Were talking about missing crossing restrictions, flagrant speed violations, turning the opposite direction, not turning on an airway when he should have,but 25 miles later. I finally had to go to the chief pilot, and found that the hardest thing I've ever had to do. 4 months later when all the other F'O's had enough of the same stuff, they too had a chat with the chief pilot.
Way back when, when a lot of folks who sat in the right seat were warm bodies, I might be able to see the captain being god, but not today! We all get the Violation letter from the FAA or CAA or whatever branch you have. I am not going to sit still and let some egotistical butthead get me killed or violated!!!!!!
Now, with the likes of the captains who think they are God, what were they, when they were in the right seat???
Many nations have the F/O's do the same simrides that the captains do, are they not as qualified as the captain?? are they all just stupid warm bodies in the right seat? I think not!!
I would not want to fly with a F/O who said nothing, as much as I would not want to fly with a captain who can't admit he may be wrong!!
Remember, Don't become the pilot who you once hated to fly with!
Sorry about the rant!!
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Well said Willit Run. I still remind myself that its not long ago that I was in the "right" seat, thinking I somtimes could do a better job. Now I am in the "left" seat, I also somtimes find I am with a much more experienced F/O, who does a better job than me. The problems start when you stop learning, whichever seat you are in!
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The Captain is a pleasure to fly with, very laid back and safe. I have flown with him on several occasions and have always enjoyed his company, not hard work at all. If you are sitting in the right seat and believe that you are in some way better than him (Lots of hours on Airbus before EK) then I think his laid back attitude could prove annoying. (The old have not syndrome) The bottom line is that he maintains the big picture and gets the job done effectively without obsessing trivia.
Hound in answers to your questions, the F/O dobbed for what I consider totally trivial matters. However in his mind he thinks they are clearly extremely important, probably because the SOPs don't cover them. This is not the place to get into specifics.
Sorry folks, this isn't about CRM. (By the way CRM is 'Crew Resource Management' not 'Courtesy, Respect and Manners' as some of the previous posters seem to suggest) It isn't about safety, it is about 2 individuals on a flight deck not getting along. I know both of the parties involved well. The Captain can be too laid back and amenable for his own good at times which some F/Os might find frustrating but he is safe! The F/O can be too self important. It is also the clash of 2 different cultures and mentalities, 'laisser-faire' and 'a glass of wine with lunch' versus 'protein pills'.
Right lets get back into the 411a slagging......Lead to Number 2 in Vietnam. '2 you can say 3 things otherwise stay on cold mike! Twoop, Bingo and leads on fire!' Now those were the days when CRM was a mere glint in the eye of...
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Hound in answers to your questions, the F/O dobbed for what I consider totally trivial matters. However in his mind he thinks they are clearly extremely important, probably because the SOPs don't cover them. This is not the place to get into specifics.
Sorry folks, this isn't about CRM. (By the way CRM is 'Crew Resource Management' not 'Courtesy, Respect and Manners' as some of the previous posters seem to suggest) It isn't about safety, it is about 2 individuals on a flight deck not getting along. I know both of the parties involved well. The Captain can be too laid back and amenable for his own good at times which some F/Os might find frustrating but he is safe! The F/O can be too self important. It is also the clash of 2 different cultures and mentalities, 'laisser-faire' and 'a glass of wine with lunch' versus 'protein pills'.
Right lets get back into the 411a slagging......Lead to Number 2 in Vietnam. '2 you can say 3 things otherwise stay on cold mike! Twoop, Bingo and leads on fire!' Now those were the days when CRM was a mere glint in the eye of...
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Good post Cerberus
The fact here is that Captains at EK have been reported before and it has generally been kept "in house". Simply because, like most, we realise that the Captain is not infallible and there are sometimes instances where a report may be justified. This particular instance has made the news because all that know the two individuals, know that the F/O is out to lunch and is likely to regret his decision in the fullness of time.
The fact here is that Captains at EK have been reported before and it has generally been kept "in house". Simply because, like most, we realise that the Captain is not infallible and there are sometimes instances where a report may be justified. This particular instance has made the news because all that know the two individuals, know that the F/O is out to lunch and is likely to regret his decision in the fullness of time.
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I have just sat here and read every post regarding the F/O's complaint about a captain at EK. I would like to add that, although you guys and gals are sticking your point of views in, others, for example, myself, are learning. Learning what the 'real' world of aviation is, but i still have the positive things lurking around in my head. It is interesting, and I have never realised, that this whole airline pilot business is not easy going. Infact, it is pretty darn hard, and some of the situations you deal with, referring to crew not emergencies with the aircraft, are pretty serious in my opinion~which in question,COULD jeapordise the aircraft safety as some have mentioned.
Im only 17, with PPL, and i am out to Canada this year to get lots more hours as i am striving to be a pilot for X airline, and i will make it, but anyway, can I ask a few questions regarding this topic, as i am intersted to see what responses will be given. Perhaps others will too?
#1) How common is it that a crew will not get on? Obviously, many many airliners are flying at any one time, and for me, representing passengers generally, it could be quite discomforting to know that alot of the crews up there are arguing about things.
#2) Is it common, as an individual, to bring personal problems to the flight deck? Should you not, or are you not allowed, to say that you would like to not carry out the flight due to problems which you feel may affect the safety of the aircraft?
#3) Is CRM a course? If so, how much is it practise in a room with strangers during this course...because at the moment, i dont want to be rude by saying it doens't get taught alot??
#4) Did any of you realise that people like myself are reading these and beginning to see the 'real' life some pilots have to live in?
#5) As a member of the flight deck crew, would you be happy in people talking about your actions publically?
You guys set the examples here...
Smooth skies,
Dan
Im only 17, with PPL, and i am out to Canada this year to get lots more hours as i am striving to be a pilot for X airline, and i will make it, but anyway, can I ask a few questions regarding this topic, as i am intersted to see what responses will be given. Perhaps others will too?
#1) How common is it that a crew will not get on? Obviously, many many airliners are flying at any one time, and for me, representing passengers generally, it could be quite discomforting to know that alot of the crews up there are arguing about things.
#2) Is it common, as an individual, to bring personal problems to the flight deck? Should you not, or are you not allowed, to say that you would like to not carry out the flight due to problems which you feel may affect the safety of the aircraft?
#3) Is CRM a course? If so, how much is it practise in a room with strangers during this course...because at the moment, i dont want to be rude by saying it doens't get taught alot??
#4) Did any of you realise that people like myself are reading these and beginning to see the 'real' life some pilots have to live in?
#5) As a member of the flight deck crew, would you be happy in people talking about your actions publically?
You guys set the examples here...
Smooth skies,
Dan
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Welcome to the Real World. Generally speaking most flights are conducted with the required professionalism. However, two individuals at any given time will have a disagreement. Once again, professionalism is one of the answers to this conflict. That is why there is a commander on board. Complex stuff? Yes!! Aviation is still the way to travel.
Good luck with your career.
Good luck with your career.