Radio 4 item on poor english communication
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Radio 4 item on poor english communication
Hello, The UK CAA have commissioned some research on poor standards of English and miscommunications between flight crew and ATC. World at One news programme on BBC Radio 4 is planning a report on the issue. Does anyone out there have any significant examples of poor english contributing to an air incident? Even better, does anyone have any audio recordings? Please contact [email protected]. Many thanks
I'd suggest a trawl through:
Air Accidents Investigation: Publications & Search Reports
Get the PA to do it - she's probably just filing her nails
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Air Accidents Investigation: Publications & Search Reports
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Dare we mention the incident at CDG some years ago when a non-French speaking SD3-30 pilot entered at an intersection of the runway, unaware that the other aircraft at the end had been given takeoff clearance because this was given in French? Aircraft written off, 1st. officer killed.
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Zagreb 1976 so not a new problem
1976 Zagreb mid-air collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Realising the imminent danger of collision, Tasić instructed the JP550 to stop climbing. In doing so, he reverted to his native Serbo-Croatian language, contrary to the regulations. This meant that the British Airways plane, even if they overheard this conversation, would have very little chance of understanding their own imminent danger. The controller's last-ditch attempt to avert catastrophe turned what would have been a near miss into the collision he was trying to prevent. For, by the time JP550 had leveled off it was at flight level 330, exactly the same level as BA476
All 176 people aboard both flights, plus one person on the ground, were killed, making it, at the time, the world's deadliest mid-air collision
Realising the imminent danger of collision, Tasić instructed the JP550 to stop climbing. In doing so, he reverted to his native Serbo-Croatian language, contrary to the regulations. This meant that the British Airways plane, even if they overheard this conversation, would have very little chance of understanding their own imminent danger. The controller's last-ditch attempt to avert catastrophe turned what would have been a near miss into the collision he was trying to prevent. For, by the time JP550 had leveled off it was at flight level 330, exactly the same level as BA476
All 176 people aboard both flights, plus one person on the ground, were killed, making it, at the time, the world's deadliest mid-air collision
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Er, hang on!
The CAA is going to research the issue no doubt in part to see if there are any risks evident.
The BBC wants to sensationalise it and get the public concerned before the CAA actually completes it's report, which may show there isn't an issue at all!
Yep!
Oh and before folk point out the foreign language issues. It's about poor standards of english, not lack of use of it!
The CAA is going to research the issue no doubt in part to see if there are any risks evident.
The BBC wants to sensationalise it and get the public concerned before the CAA actually completes it's report, which may show there isn't an issue at all!
Yep!
Oh and before folk point out the foreign language issues. It's about poor standards of english, not lack of use of it!
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Oh and before folk point out the foreign language issues. It's about poor standards of english, not lack of use of it!
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Bomford, he problem is twofold.
1) Poor language skills in English
2) Deliberately (either through laziness, or familiarity or who knows what) using local language to talk to "home" ATC by pilots that are perfectly fluent in English. I make no apologies for pointing out that it has been a recurrent theme on this forum that Spanish and French controllers use local language when landing at their home airports. And don't get PPruners started on preferential treatment by ATC for "home" crews (not in UK).
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1) Poor language skills in English
2) Deliberately (either through laziness, or familiarity or who knows what) using local language to talk to "home" ATC by pilots that are perfectly fluent in English. I make no apologies for pointing out that it has been a recurrent theme on this forum that Spanish and French controllers use local language when landing at their home airports. And don't get PPruners started on preferential treatment by ATC for "home" crews (not in UK).
Your PC might melt.
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No objection to, e.g., French controller using French language to control French pilot. Just don't get it wrong because we won't hear the error.
neilki, What I hear there is a JFK controller getting stressed because the Air China pilot couldn't understand a nuance at the only airport I've operated into which has this system of clearance. (In our case our company owned the stand so we did as we pleased on the stand). I guess the AC pilot needed some training and the JFK ATCO needed to cut him some slack.
neilki, What I hear there is a JFK controller getting stressed because the Air China pilot couldn't understand a nuance at the only airport I've operated into which has this system of clearance. (In our case our company owned the stand so we did as we pleased on the stand). I guess the AC pilot needed some training and the JFK ATCO needed to cut him some slack.
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Dare we mention the incident at CDG some years ago when a non-French speaking SD3-30 pilot entered at an intersection of the runway, unaware that the other aircraft at the end had been given takeoff clearance because this was given in French? Aircraft written off, 1st. officer killed.
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We landed, taxied in and found somewhere to park. Went into the tower - empty! Went into the flying school - empty! Went into the restaurant - packed to the rafters! France doesn't just close for August, they close for lunch as well :-)
As it happened I don't think it would have mattered if we'd used the other runway, but it was an uncomfortable feeling not knowing, and thanks to the person who enlightened us, even if they didn't want to be identified. (For the left-ponded ones reading this, we don't have anything like Unicom over here - we normally only talk to the chaps on the ground).
