UK Independent Pilots Association (IPA) releases documentary film on Pilot Fatigue
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Free is best.
Fact not Fiction Films Fact Not Fiction Films - Award Winning British Independent Film and Documentary Production Company have made several aviation safety related films - but until they understand that the only real way to get a message out is on the internet, for free - they will never achieve their aim.
I reckon a short, sharp message is also a winner in this day and age.
Having said that they make other documentary films which are pure commercial ventures but it's a tricky business and anybody who criticises film makers needs to understand the economics - which are rather like airline flying, I suspect.
At least FNFF & IPA tried - for all of us.
Go on - buy a copy! - I'm a member of the wonderful IPA, so should get one free....
I reckon a short, sharp message is also a winner in this day and age.
Having said that they make other documentary films which are pure commercial ventures but it's a tricky business and anybody who criticises film makers needs to understand the economics - which are rather like airline flying, I suspect.
At least FNFF & IPA tried - for all of us.
Go on - buy a copy! - I'm a member of the wonderful IPA, so should get one free....
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I'm a bit naive but could you not buy a copy, convert to mpeg4 with Handbrake, then upload to YouTube? If so then I'll do it...
As others have said, every little helps... But a) this is very late to the party and b) making it so you have to buy it won't help spread the word.
Are many UK pilots NOT aware of fatigue/FTL issues? What's the point of us buying these DVDs? The target audience should be the voting public and I can't see many of those spending money on an aviation safety film as opposed to Star Wars HD or The Artist. Come on!
Are many UK pilots NOT aware of fatigue/FTL issues? What's the point of us buying these DVDs? The target audience should be the voting public and I can't see many of those spending money on an aviation safety film as opposed to Star Wars HD or The Artist. Come on!
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All agreed Fullwings,
Any AT pilot in the UK is acutely aware of the FTL issue
but as usual in difficult times - they won't want to risk their jobs and liveliehoods by being too vocal as individuals - it is not a great career move.
But as we have seen with other serious issues - most pilots just hope that somebody, somewhere - DOES something?
Train drivers are a different breed - due to their super strong Unions.
The words 'straw', 'broke', 'camels back' and 'Buffalo' keep coming to my mind....
Any AT pilot in the UK is acutely aware of the FTL issue
but as usual in difficult times - they won't want to risk their jobs and liveliehoods by being too vocal as individuals - it is not a great career move.But as we have seen with other serious issues - most pilots just hope that somebody, somewhere - DOES something?
Train drivers are a different breed - due to their super strong Unions.
The words 'straw', 'broke', 'camels back' and 'Buffalo' keep coming to my mind....
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I don't think anybody charged somebody to watch the Kony 2012 video. Look how viral that went...Youtube is the way, social media is the way - if you want to raise public awareness that is.
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Look, I'm not a pilot, just a retired technician who worked on many productions.
If you want to influence public and political opinion, you post it everywhere for free. If you want to make money, you try to sell DVDs.
Pudoc (and several others) are spot on. This trivialises and commercialises an important issue rather than does anything to advance the cause.
Shame on you IPA.
If you want to influence public and political opinion, you post it everywhere for free. If you want to make money, you try to sell DVDs.
Pudoc (and several others) are spot on. This trivialises and commercialises an important issue rather than does anything to advance the cause.
Shame on you IPA.
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errr... am I the only person to have noticed that the Gen Sec of the IPA has been trying for some years to make a second career as a film producer and it just happens to be his company that made this film.
That might explain why profit is put before safety by the 'smaller' union?
That might explain why profit is put before safety by the 'smaller' union?
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P2,
The Gen Sec of the IPA is only trying to help resolve the present FTL nonsense.
As everybody so rightly says - money can not be made out of such an issue - when they don't sell any DVD's, that will be the proof.
What have you personally done towards the FTL issue?
The Gen Sec of the IPA is only trying to help resolve the present FTL nonsense.
As everybody so rightly says - money can not be made out of such an issue - when they don't sell any DVD's, that will be the proof.
What have you personally done towards the FTL issue?
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Offsched,
This should keep you awake:
This is surely the way to do it - FREE, short and humourous yet with a deadly serious, subconscious message.
Apparently the Romans kept their people content with two vital 'must haves':
Bread and Circus's
PS. The other 3 episodes are excellent too, but require a further few minutes of your precious time....
This should keep you awake:
This is surely the way to do it - FREE, short and humourous yet with a deadly serious, subconscious message.
Apparently the Romans kept their people content with two vital 'must haves':
Bread and Circus's
PS. The other 3 episodes are excellent too, but require a further few minutes of your precious time....
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am I the only person to have noticed that the Gen Sec of the IPA has been trying for some years to make a second career as a film producer and it just happens to be his company that made this film.
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What have you personally done towards the FTL issue?
A few years ago GASCO produced a safety video (yes - in the days of tape!) which they asked GA pilots to buy, due to the cost of producing it. Eventually they issued it as a free DVD because the reality is that nobody will pay for this sort of stuff.
I am not particularly anti IPA nor anti the Gen Sec but I do see a conflict of interest when the guy who invested a huge sum of money in trying to get into film production after ill-health retirement - it would appear none too successfully - decides in his new union job that the perfect medium to get the message across is... film (video).
Did he do it for free? I wouldnt expect him to of course but I just think things should be a bit more transparent.
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P2,
Well done. I hope others have made at least some effort because that's what is needed.
The train drivers just say - 'No!'
I was grounded 6 years ago with the same problem as the Gen Sec so I have only signed the FTL petition but have put most of my energy into CAQ, as that's my main passion as I no longer fly and don't fully understand the FTL issue (except that increasing duty times further is madness).
When you lose your job at 49 - it is a nightmare to 'find something else to do' and I think that a big part of the problem is that highly trained pilots are dabbling in areas that we don't know much about and worse - bring our flying expectations of accuracy, timeliness and integrity to bear on outside life where they are not recognised.
Well done. I hope others have made at least some effort because that's what is needed.
The train drivers just say - 'No!'
I was grounded 6 years ago with the same problem as the Gen Sec so I have only signed the FTL petition but have put most of my energy into CAQ, as that's my main passion as I no longer fly and don't fully understand the FTL issue (except that increasing duty times further is madness).
When you lose your job at 49 - it is a nightmare to 'find something else to do' and I think that a big part of the problem is that highly trained pilots are dabbling in areas that we don't know much about and worse - bring our flying expectations of accuracy, timeliness and integrity to bear on outside life where they are not recognised.
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Had this film been made freely available and viewable online it would probably have generated tens or hundreds of thousands of views, and would have gone a long way to getting the message out and influencing public opinion. With a £17.99 price tag I would be gobsmacked if the DVD sold in double figures. It's akin to asking someone to pay to watching double glazing adverts.
If the link between the IPA exec and the production company is true then there is a massive conflict of interest and a valuable opportunity for the IPA to fulfil its mandate has been hobbled in order to benefit an individual's side project. If I was still a member of the IPA I'd be expecting some answers.
If the link between the IPA exec and the production company is true then there is a massive conflict of interest and a valuable opportunity for the IPA to fulfil its mandate has been hobbled in order to benefit an individual's side project. If I was still a member of the IPA I'd be expecting some answers.
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The best things in life are free.....
Actually nothing is free if you want to run a half decent campaign.
Whether it's Cancer research or occupy wall street they all ask you to contribute your dosh.
Viral campaigns cost serious money:
"In general a well-executed viral marketing campaign can cost anything from £5,000, with well-known brands often spending in excess of £100,000 on their viral marketing campaigns. In return the viral advertising agency will develop the viral, seed it in various places, and usually track the results, whether that’s new registrations, click-throughs, or cost per viewer.
Simple email viral campaigns can be very successful and eliminate the need to develop high quality videos or complex games. However, for this type of viral to work something of real value must be being given away. Consequently, if the promotion works it can prove to be very expensive"
So if you are serious about FTLs and you want this DVD to be "free" or go online legally then suggest to the IPA that you'll either join them or make a donation so they can cover their costs.
Lots of charities make movies but you must be joking if you think it doesn't come from donations!
Whether it's Cancer research or occupy wall street they all ask you to contribute your dosh.
Viral campaigns cost serious money:
"In general a well-executed viral marketing campaign can cost anything from £5,000, with well-known brands often spending in excess of £100,000 on their viral marketing campaigns. In return the viral advertising agency will develop the viral, seed it in various places, and usually track the results, whether that’s new registrations, click-throughs, or cost per viewer.
Simple email viral campaigns can be very successful and eliminate the need to develop high quality videos or complex games. However, for this type of viral to work something of real value must be being given away. Consequently, if the promotion works it can prove to be very expensive"
So if you are serious about FTLs and you want this DVD to be "free" or go online legally then suggest to the IPA that you'll either join them or make a donation so they can cover their costs.
Lots of charities make movies but you must be joking if you think it doesn't come from donations!
Why dont the IPA simply stream the video from their website - that way, they can get the best possible coverage?
Far better than selling a very limited number of copies and just sending it to the members who already know the problem.
Surely this is an education campaign on behalf of the members?
Far better than selling a very limited number of copies and just sending it to the members who already know the problem.
Surely this is an education campaign on behalf of the members?
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A very well presented film IPA - well done.
Great evidence in the future for when the EASA changes go through and lives are lost.
But somehow the actual evidence always seems to get misrepresented...how does this happen, I wonder?
Great evidence in the future for when the EASA changes go through and lives are lost.
But somehow the actual evidence always seems to get misrepresented...how does this happen, I wonder?
