Health and Safety in Aviation
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SM, Slasher is talking of a time when you were not even a glint in your fathers eye ie before H & S, SMS and all the other alphabet groups came into being.
As for,
there are some oil companies who are yet to learn the lessons, even your mighty Shell falls short at times.
Safety is achieved by being at times. One operator found that crews were not following SOPs, the solution was a yearly incentive bonus and a annual standards check ride, if any one failed the ride no one received the bonus, thus creating an incentive for all crew members to uphold the SOPs and help each other to do so.
The trouble with management is often they put programs such as SMS in place, but without the attendant resources. At Cass 2011, Bob Dodd, retired general manager of group safety at Qantas, commented,
Note he says the outcomes of SMS, not that you have an SMS which may be merely ticking boxes.
Slashers gentleman had an informal SMS, but it was outcome based, and worked. We have/had an oil company would qualify for your luddite tag but because they had never had an accident (many undocumented close calls though) in their near three decades of operation were of the opinion that that they ran a perfect operation.
Coupled with the luddite comment it illustrates the arrogance oft found in management, passing judgement on misunderstood facts. And there are good reasons why elements of CASA are held with derision by some folk.
As for,
bull**** forms - Documentations is at the heart of an SMS.
company spying - It needs to be backed with rigorous compliance monirtoring.
hidden agendas - The safety plan should be known by all.
no bloody reports - Documentations is at the heart of an SMS.
company spying - It needs to be backed with rigorous compliance monirtoring.
hidden agendas - The safety plan should be known by all.
no bloody reports - Documentations is at the heart of an SMS.
Safety is achieved by being at times. One operator found that crews were not following SOPs, the solution was a yearly incentive bonus and a annual standards check ride, if any one failed the ride no one received the bonus, thus creating an incentive for all crew members to uphold the SOPs and help each other to do so.
CASA must being having a real challenge introducing SMS with luddite attitudes as these to overcome
I'm a great believer in outcome regulations as much as possible, and I think the outcomes of the SMS should be regulatory requirement. The problem with detailed regulatory requirement, and in some ways the ICAO documentation is sort of dangerous in that respect, is that it encourages people to simply tick boxes. It encourages a sense that, "if I do all these things I have a good SMS." Well, no you don't. Because it's about how you execute. It's about the culture that is behind the process.
Slashers gentleman had an informal SMS, but it was outcome based, and worked. We have/had an oil company would qualify for your luddite tag but because they had never had an accident (many undocumented close calls though) in their near three decades of operation were of the opinion that that they ran a perfect operation.
A hope that now you know better you will mend your ways before there are fatalities.
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Shell Management - it's attitudes like yours that create the barriers and negativity towards Health & Safety in the first place.
Your condescending tone and know it all attitude does nothing but rub people up the wrong way. I have notice from other threads, that you put people down quite a bit (Rotorheads) in your posts.
Give it a break man, is it a cry for help?
Next time you type to a fellow pruner, park the 'attitude' and try not to get fired up.
Use your knowledge to help and educate them, not to have a bit of a dig and a put down..... or does that make you feel good about yourself??
Chris
Your condescending tone and know it all attitude does nothing but rub people up the wrong way. I have notice from other threads, that you put people down quite a bit (Rotorheads) in your posts.
Give it a break man, is it a cry for help?
Next time you type to a fellow pruner, park the 'attitude' and try not to get fired up.
Use your knowledge to help and educate them, not to have a bit of a dig and a put down..... or does that make you feel good about yourself??
Chris
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Hi Chris,
I noticed that your doing your training with Shields for the NEBOSH they are a very good provider. I would advise you to buy the NEBOSH books for A,B,C units as they get straight to the point as the standard study material covers everything possible which is to much if your planning to complete within a year.
Best of luck.
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I noticed that your doing your training with Shields for the NEBOSH they are a very good provider. I would advise you to buy the NEBOSH books for A,B,C units as they get straight to the point as the standard study material covers everything possible which is to much if your planning to complete within a year.
Best of luck.
V1
