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Old 2nd May 2011, 19:33
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Blacksheep - series yaw damper.
found that out the hard way.
What surprised me was that the engineer who had double the experience of the two of us up front didn't know either.
In the 70s there was a lot of ignorance in the aviation industry.
In my view due to the lack of ability in those in management and training.
Unfortunately it hasn't quite disappeared as we know about the 747 crew who didn't understand the basics of the cross feed system.
Another lack of system understanding was when the fokker 100 was introduced in the 90s. We were told that it could not approach the stall because of the all talking full time auto throttle system.
Second stall warning during low level final approach turns taught us not to believe what the brochure stated.

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Old 2nd May 2011, 22:46
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video clip from ulxima

Are you referring to this
Thanks ulxima , yes, It was along these lines! However, I don't know if this is an early video before he had worked up his routine, or more likely I think, a later one, after the leaden hand of "Elfin Safety" had descended, but it was very tame compared with the performances I remenber seeing! These were during the competitions held between the various national display teams at the Greenham Common International Air Tatoo during the early seventies, where national pride pushed the displays even further than usual. His cavorting was very spirited and continued throughout a full circuit and landing, right through the flare and onto a one wheel landing and then rocking across to the other wheel using the full width of the runway during the roll-out!

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Old 2nd May 2011, 23:45
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His cavorting was very spirited and continued throughout a full circuit and landing, right through the flare and onto a one wheel landing and then rocking across to the other wheel using the full width of the runway during the roll-out!
Most probably you saw Capt. Riccardo Peracchi. In the '60s, he was the official display pilot of the ItAF flight test unit on the Aermacchi MB.326 jet trainer. See page 35:
http://www.aermacchi.it/files/amw6ingl.pdf

The "Volo folle" (Crazy flight) figure shown in the video is part of the current Frecce Tricolori display programme.

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Old 2nd May 2011, 23:54
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Man oh man, this goes down in the annals of airmanship - comparable to the guys for DHL in Iraq who landed an A300F without any hydraulics.

My butt is puckered just looking at stills.

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Old 3rd May 2011, 00:59
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I'll vote for an airmanship medal only after somebody confirms a failure mechanism in the aircraft.
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Old 3rd May 2011, 01:50
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Simply amazing! CG problem?

However, why is there no clouds in video #1, lots of clouds in #2 and scattered clouds in #3?
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Old 3rd May 2011, 02:24
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glhcarl: "Simply amazing! CG problem?

However, why is there no clouds in video #1, lots of clouds in #2 and scattered clouds in #3?"

Did you even bother to read the posts? Did you even bother to watch the videos? The CG problem answer is in the posts, the videos display no inconsistency in cloud type or cover.
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Old 3rd May 2011, 08:17
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Boy oh boy oh boy........! It would have been mercifully brief for me, as coronary infarction would have occasioned long before the MLG finally reconnected with the TDZ.

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Old 3rd May 2011, 11:49
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the word is the plane's "stability and control augmentation system" was acting up.

The Tu5 is actually a computer controlled plane, of sorts

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Old 3rd May 2011, 15:49
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I remember some time in the late 80s or early 90s that there was another "crazy flight" display that existed, I'm pretty sure that it was done in an AlphaJet and may possibly have been a Belgian Air Force pilot or just maybe French.

I can't remember the location I saw it, but I suspect it was either Mildenhall, Alconbury or maybe the year that the IAT was held at Cottesmore although that is less likely as it was some years later, I think '98 or '99.
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Old 3rd May 2011, 16:05
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I think what saved these guys was the Sen. Larry Craig "Wide-Stance" (TM) undercarriage on the TU-154. Surely a 727 would have caught a wing in the dirt. Still amazed at this piloting!!

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Old 3rd May 2011, 16:33
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Having 12 main-gear tires instead of just 4 no doubt helped absorb the extra forces if the plane was trying to roll at touchdown. The -154 was designed for occasional gravel field use.
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Old 3rd May 2011, 17:05
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A video of the landing from the other side of the runway:

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Old 3rd May 2011, 18:05
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Interesting how one of the spectators shouts 'yes' in English!

Anyone able to translate the rest?
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Old 3rd May 2011, 18:29
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They aren't saying anything interesting (what did you expect though?)

Something like this:

Look how they...
Go on guys, go on, go on
What the...
He has to go around again somehow, he is fully loaded
No he has to land, no matter how, but he will break up of course
He will strike his wing
Go on guys, guess (a moment when to land)
Go on
That's all, he guessed! (a moment when to land)
<Censored>
Yes!!
Well done!
That's all
I'm shaking in my shoes
Did you film it? Yes
They are heroes, they must be awarded
<Censored>
Those planes can't be flown anymore, get it?
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Old 3rd May 2011, 21:22
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Those planes can't be flown anymore, get it?
A very pertinent comment.

One wonders why they were trying to get this aircraft back into the air?
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Old 3rd May 2011, 21:49
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I still say fake. This footage would have been on the news and in the press. It would have been a great achievement but nothing is mentioned. Fact is there are some talented people out there. Seen plenty of photo shop pictures done and they look amazing.

Not in the news so I don't believe it. This would be up there with the Hudson river in terms of skill.
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Old 3rd May 2011, 22:09
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If you do the approach fron hell, say Funchal on a bad day, then watch the next aircraft land, it looks far less exciting from on the ground than it does on the flightdeck. So those gyrations were just too extreme to believe and I do have my doubts.
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Old 3rd May 2011, 22:42
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I get more fun out of the uber-skeptics - soon they'll be demanding to see the long form of the birth certifi- ooops, I mean, log book.

"I don't believe the video - it hides the landing."

OK - here's the landing.

"No, no, that's a still-picture series - I want to see video"

Ok - here's video of the landing.

"No, no, I want...."

Giggle-heads.
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Old 3rd May 2011, 22:56
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Now here's rudder flutter....

At 4:02 on this link.


Not making light of what these guys achieved, my trousers would have been permanently withdrawn from use.
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