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maxho 1st May 2011 03:12

Barely controllable Tu-154 - another UA232
 
Takeoff:

Attempt to return:

Final:

flaphandlemover 1st May 2011 04:00

Well done by he crew.....:ok::D:D

Hope there will be a report on what happend to this flight....

I wanna open this threat with my guess:....

CG too far aft and out of the envelope.... Just a guess....

lelebebbel 1st May 2011 04:14

holy crap.

GarageYears 1st May 2011 04:25

Holy crap indeed!!!

How that didn't end in a ball of fire I can hardly believe.... :D

That deserves more than a few shots of vodka. Wow.

pattern_is_full 1st May 2011 04:39


CG too far aft and out of the envelope.... Just a guess...
I dunno - the pitch seems to be the one thing that is pretty stable through most of the "flight" (or is that "fright?"). Rotation seems normal and smooth.

A textbook Dutch Roll - so a failed yaw damper? [nah, - never mind - Tu-154's anhedral supposedly eliminates need for YD)

Dutch roll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway - stupendous work by the crew to work around the instability and bring 'er home!
____

Edit: Chkalovsky Airport outside Moscow? (trying to translate the cyrillic)

tatin 1st May 2011 05:05

Looks like a complete loss of flight controls, or a combination of hydraulic loss and stuck flight controls. My guess is they steer the aircraft with engine power.
No wheelbrakes upon landing.

BTW Dutch roll is only at high altitude.

aviatorhi 1st May 2011 05:59

Seems a little suspicious to me. If anything I would suspect a YD failure (not sure about how the 154 is equipped). If this had happened on my trusty 727 we'd simply disconnect the thing and land normally.

ATC Watcher 1st May 2011 06:27

Some control locks still on ? In any case big applause to both the crew and Mr Tupolev for building good strong airplanes . Pity we miss flare and touch down on the video, I bet it did not touch down on the 2 mains at the same time .

SKS777FLYER 1st May 2011 06:49

Astounding oscillations on that "downwind" and besides the roll and extreme yaw, it looked to me like some large pitch down cycles as well. Can't help but wonder if the tails of certain composite material jetliners would have stayed on.

Old Hairy 1st May 2011 08:54

What ever the problems reguarding the cause.Well done for getting it down in one piece

CaptainProp 1st May 2011 09:21

Russian ab initio training? :E Those damn CTC guys set up new shop.... :}

Good job getting the bird on gnd!

Desert Dawg 1st May 2011 10:05

I wonder if any of our Russian friends on Pprune can find out if that was a scheduled PAX flight...?

It was certainly heart stopping to watch..! Well done to the crew for getting it back on terra firma safely:ok:

Pilot Pacifier 1st May 2011 10:20

Rumour control has it that it was a test flight after being in storage for 10 years. That is and I stress, just a rumour...

wozzo 1st May 2011 10:29

Comment from Youtube poster is: Loss of roll and pitch control.

J.O. 1st May 2011 10:35


Rumour control has it that it was a test flight after being in storage for 10 years. That is and I stress, just a rumour...
Given that the airport looks like a bit of a parking lot, this sounds credible to me. In any case, the fact that they got it back on the ground and were able to taxi in is remarkable. Well done, lads! :ok:

Richard Taylor 1st May 2011 10:48

2nd YT clip does seem to show a line up of stored 154s. If true, wonder why this one was being brought back into use.

Well done indeed to the crew - not a pleasant experience from the footage!

Cacophonix 1st May 2011 11:01

A nasty short period, undamped yaw roll situation.

Will be interesting to see what caused it. Kudos to the crew.

liider 1st May 2011 11:07

It was indeed a first test flight after being in storage for 10 years. It's a military airfield and an aircraft belonging to Russian Army, so you won't ever know why was it necessary to get this plane back in air after 10-year break...

compton3bravo 1st May 2011 11:10

Not to be too flippant - but I hope they were all wearing brown corduroy trousers! But to be serious for a minute great airmanship to get the thing down in one piece.

Walder 1st May 2011 11:12

If you look at video no. 2, I see apparently no aileron movement, but a lot of rudder movement. If ailerons are locked, you can use rudder as a roll control, but it is only a secondary result.

Pitch cannot change so quickly unless you have some kind of pitch control (Trim only??). I flew the 727, and change of thrust gave no initially change of pitch. That was also a secondary result of speed change.

I have tried similar problem - simulated in a little piper - we froze the stick, and had only trim and rudder. It was possible to steer the aircraft, but the handling was exact like we see on this video.

Maybe we should test a frozen stick in the simulator and see how it will turn out?


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