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Old 14th Sep 2016, 02:31
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TWA Flight 841 Hoot Gibson

I was a pilot for TWA and have over 10,000 flight hours in the B-727 and remember this incident very well.

The amazing thing about the Boeing suggestion about pulling CB's and extending 2 degrees of trailing edge flaps in cruise was never...I'm mean never discussed much less contemplated during any one of my 10,000 hours on the 727. We constantly discussed ways of saving fuel, but never talked about extending flaps in cruise. Where Boeing ever dug that one up is beyond me.

If Boeing knew such a procedure would save fuel, why didn't they design a procedure so we could use it? It sounds to me like a big, fat CYA red herring to distract any litigation away from Boeing.
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 05:56
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A book has been published on the subject.

The Story Behind Scapegoat: A Flight Crewís Journey From Heroes to Villains to Redemption by Emilio Corsetti III

The inspiration for this book came from a simple forum post. I had just watched the film Flight starring Denzel Washington. Iím a big fan of Robert Zemeckis. But he got so many things wrong in the first thirty minutes of that film that I wanted to throw something at the screen. I wonít go into detail, that would take too long, but Iíll give just one example. There is no magical lever that gives the pilot manual control. I still canít understand how Zemeckis, who is a pilot, could make such a glaring, inexcusable error solely for what he thought would make for a dramatic moment. Itís sort of like a heart surgeon grabbing a pair of scissors to cut into a patient to begin a heart transplant.

So after sitting through one stupid scene after another, I decided to check out a pilot forum to see what other pilots thought of the film. Thatís when I saw a post about TWA 841. The author of the post made a comment that the filmmakers should have told the real story of TWA 841 and how the crew got screwed over by Boeing and the NTSB.

Now I had heard of TWA 841. I remember thinking at the time that those pilots were toast. Thereís no way they would be able to keep their jobs after the NTSB accused them of causing a near-fatal dive of close to 39,000 feet, and then attempting to cover up their actions by erasing the cockpit voice recorder. I assumed that the captain was selling real estate somewhere.

But I soon learned that not only was the crew not fired, but TWA and the pilotís union fought for years to have the NTSB findings reversed. Now thereís a story.

So if Boeing and the NTSB got it wrong, what really happened? What connection is there between TWA 841 and a string of unexplained rollover accidents in 1990s?

As I dug deeper, a clear picture of what took place emerged. This story had all of the elements of a wrongful criminal conviction: erroneous eye witness testimony, false leads, investigator tunnel vision, manipulation of the evidence to fit a theory, etc. And at the very heart of the story was a conflict between the credibility of a flight crew against the integrity of the most popular aircraft in the world. Boeing and the NTSB won the first round. I hope this book sets the record straight and the crew is finally vindicated.
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