L@ser attacks on Aircraft
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We must not succumb to the image of the "Star Trek" type phaser beam....they all disperse with the square of the distance away. As the knowledgeable poster on Page one said....the best l@sers shot at the moon are 5 times the moon's diameter when they arrive there. If you were to look at the Earth from the moon (directly into the beam) you would most certainly NOT notice it.....it is that diverged.
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It ain't just l@sers
Antic81 I'm with you on that, just watch the number of attacks rocket now there is all this publicity.
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Attempted murder? So in UK today not much of a sentance. 6 months at best.
How about a terrorist crime? Much more fitting penalties attached to that sort of crime.
Attempted murder? So in UK today not much of a sentance. 6 months at best.
How about a terrorist crime? Much more fitting penalties attached to that sort of crime.
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Yeah OK, fair point I suppose
That said, sorting out the criminal justice system, building more jails and handing out sentences that are appropriate to the offences is surely a better solution that using anti-terror law as a cure-all?
Granted, I suspect I stand more chance of becoming the next pope than any of the above happening, especially under the current mob, but being a supporter of Hibernian F.C., I'm something of an optimist by nature
Yeah OK, fair point I suppose
That said, sorting out the criminal justice system, building more jails and handing out sentences that are appropriate to the offences is surely a better solution that using anti-terror law as a cure-all?
Granted, I suspect I stand more chance of becoming the next pope than any of the above happening, especially under the current mob, but being a supporter of Hibernian F.C., I'm something of an optimist by nature
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laser pens, hants uk
A man was arrested during the early hours of this morning (Thursday, October 15) following two incidents in which a laser pen beam was directed at the Hampshire police aircraft.
The 25-year-old was detained by police on the ground, who were directed to a residential address in Fareham by officers in the constabulary's fixed wing aircraft.
The man was arrested shortly before 1am, after two incidents between 11:30pm and 1am in which a high powered green laser beam was shone directly at the aircraft as it flew overhead.
It follows several similar incidents which had taken place from the same location over a number of months.
Last night's incident was caught on camera using thermal imagery, and a laser pen later recovered.
Richard Peter Wakeman, 25, of The Cloisters, Fareham, has been charged with three counts of endangering an aircraft, under the provisions of the Air Navigation Order 2005, Article 73.
He has been bailed to appear at Fareham Magistrates Court on October 29.
PC Andy Sparshott, from the Air Support Unit, said: "This is a really serious issue which can cause temporary blindness to pilots and crew, the potential implications of which are extremely grave.
"While the use of laser pens against all aircraft types might appear harmless to some, the consequences of endangering the safety of an aircraft this way could be catastrophic.
"This is also a criminal offence which the justice system takes very seriously and offenders could receive a custodial sentence.
"Although the purchase of laser pens is not illegal itself, the reckless use of them towards aircraft, vehicles or people is. We urge everyone who is in possession of a laser pen to be more responsible with them and encourage others to do so too."
http://www.hampshire.police.uk/
The 25-year-old was detained by police on the ground, who were directed to a residential address in Fareham by officers in the constabulary's fixed wing aircraft.
The man was arrested shortly before 1am, after two incidents between 11:30pm and 1am in which a high powered green laser beam was shone directly at the aircraft as it flew overhead.
It follows several similar incidents which had taken place from the same location over a number of months.
Last night's incident was caught on camera using thermal imagery, and a laser pen later recovered.
Richard Peter Wakeman, 25, of The Cloisters, Fareham, has been charged with three counts of endangering an aircraft, under the provisions of the Air Navigation Order 2005, Article 73.
He has been bailed to appear at Fareham Magistrates Court on October 29.
PC Andy Sparshott, from the Air Support Unit, said: "This is a really serious issue which can cause temporary blindness to pilots and crew, the potential implications of which are extremely grave.
"While the use of laser pens against all aircraft types might appear harmless to some, the consequences of endangering the safety of an aircraft this way could be catastrophic.
"This is also a criminal offence which the justice system takes very seriously and offenders could receive a custodial sentence.
"Although the purchase of laser pens is not illegal itself, the reckless use of them towards aircraft, vehicles or people is. We urge everyone who is in possession of a laser pen to be more responsible with them and encourage others to do so too."
http://www.hampshire.police.uk/
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simufly,
Depends on how you define "permanent damage".
From what we know, at the ranges involved, the risk of permanent eye damage seems to be slight.
Loss of control and a crash, to me, would very much qualify as "permanent damage". And it's only waiting to happen....
CJ
Depends on how you define "permanent damage".
From what we know, at the ranges involved, the risk of permanent eye damage seems to be slight.
Loss of control and a crash, to me, would very much qualify as "permanent damage". And it's only waiting to happen....
CJ
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I couldn't agree more. An effective criminal justice system would be good. I would normally hesitate before making a blatant political point such as the ineffectiveness of "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" but we need to do something.
I couldn't agree more. An effective criminal justice system would be good. I would normally hesitate before making a blatant political point such as the ineffectiveness of "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" but we need to do something.
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Eye damage from laser ground attacks is slight, but illuminating a cockpit with coherent light would make instruments hard to see at a critical point.
You FD crew can debate the differences between airbus and boeing cockpit systems till the cows come home. I would prefer the pilots to be able to see the instrumentation in the first place.
You FD crew can debate the differences between airbus and boeing cockpit systems till the cows come home. I would prefer the pilots to be able to see the instrumentation in the first place.
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Tifosa,
Believe me, L and B take these types of incident very seriously.
As I live only a half mile or so from the flightpath of aircraft on final approach to Edinburgh airport I did my civic duty. Sadly, experience of the local plod leads me to believe they won't pursue incidents of this type until they are fishing aircraft parts out of the Firth of Forth
Believe me, L and B take these types of incident very seriously.
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I had one pointed at me about 6 months ago coming into land in EMA at night, although I did not get hit direct as I noticed the beam aiming towards me it was enough to distract me at a very critical phase of flight turning final at around 2200ft!
reported it to tower to pass on to local police and thats the last I heard of it, hopefully if there are repeat actions like this a net is put out to catch them and throw the book at them for been beyond stupid.
reported it to tower to pass on to local police and thats the last I heard of it, hopefully if there are repeat actions like this a net is put out to catch them and throw the book at them for been beyond stupid.
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Just for information, heard that this nonsense has started at POS (TTPP). Someone aiming a green laser at planes approaching the TRI NDB on approach.
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So, now I am joining the club. Never thought it would be that bad.
Got hit on approach to EDDL last night by a green l@ser. When it started I was looking out of the window so I caught the full beam into one of my eyes. Now it is the morning after and my eye still feels strange, although my vision seems to be okay...
ATC was informed but was absolutely uninterested
Got hit on approach to EDDL last night by a green l@ser. When it started I was looking out of the window so I caught the full beam into one of my eyes. Now it is the morning after and my eye still feels strange, although my vision seems to be okay...
ATC was informed but was absolutely uninterested
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Arrested: The grandfather who ‘attacked’ an RAF Apache with an £8 torch
By Mail On Sunday Reporter
Last updated at 1:20 AM on 18th October 2009
Questioned: Torben Merriott investigated the noise using a cheap torch
A lighting expert who has worked for the Queen has been arrested for shining an £8.45 torch at an RAF Apache helicopter gunship outside his home in the early hours.
Torben Merriott, 63, was woken by what felt and sounded like an ‘earthquake’ outside his bedroom window at 1am.
The grandfather used the torch to identify the aircraft.
He spotted one of two gunships on an exercise just ‘10ft above my garden’ at his farmhouse in Stradbroke near Eye, Suffolk, and called the Ministry of Defence complaint line.
But instead of receiving an apology for the September 18 disturbance, Mr Merriott was visited three weeks later by police, who arrested him on suspicion of endangering an aircraft by dazzling the pilot.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221196/Arrested-The-grandfather-attacked-RAF-Apache-8-torch.html#ixzz0UIPgnpdE
By Mail On Sunday Reporter
Last updated at 1:20 AM on 18th October 2009
Questioned: Torben Merriott investigated the noise using a cheap torchA lighting expert who has worked for the Queen has been arrested for shining an £8.45 torch at an RAF Apache helicopter gunship outside his home in the early hours.
Torben Merriott, 63, was woken by what felt and sounded like an ‘earthquake’ outside his bedroom window at 1am.
The grandfather used the torch to identify the aircraft.
He spotted one of two gunships on an exercise just ‘10ft above my garden’ at his farmhouse in Stradbroke near Eye, Suffolk, and called the Ministry of Defence complaint line.
But instead of receiving an apology for the September 18 disturbance, Mr Merriott was visited three weeks later by police, who arrested him on suspicion of endangering an aircraft by dazzling the pilot.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221196/Arrested-The-grandfather-attacked-RAF-Apache-8-torch.html#ixzz0UIPgnpdE
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But instead of receiving an apology for the September 18 disturbance, Mr Merriott was visited three weeks later by police, who arrested him on suspicion of endangering an aircraft by dazzling the pilot.
Would the legislation governing lasers also cover ordinary flashlights?
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Be careful with that choice of words, some idiot has apparently fired a couple of "model" rockets at CO Express aircraft in the Houston area!
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