Wikiposts
Search
Safety, CRM, QA & Emergency Response Planning A wide ranging forum for issues facing Aviation Professionals and Academics

L@ser attacks on Aircraft

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 28th Aug 2009, 03:07
  #321 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Chester, Cheshire, UK
Age: 68
Posts: 42
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This should brighten your day (well, it'll annoy you first, but the outcome is positive)
Man on roof arrested after laser shined at aircraft | The Courier-Mail
justawanab is offline  
Old 28th Aug 2009, 08:38
  #322 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Queensland, Australia
Age: 71
Posts: 105
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The same incident made the TV news here in Brisbane...and if they're to be believed, the perpetrator is a trainee private pilot himself so he should know better. Appalling.

Bob
Bobbsy is offline  
Old 28th Aug 2009, 13:11
  #323 (permalink)  

FX Guru
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Greenwich
Age: 67
Posts: 900
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
if they're to be believed, the perpetrator is a trainee private pilot himself
Oh FFS.

If this is true, is it possible to ban him from flying?? Do rules exist so that this is possible (in any country)??
angels is offline  
Old 28th Aug 2009, 19:43
  #324 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Esher, Surrey
Posts: 466
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Another idiot about 2 miles from LHR

A 21-year-old woman who shone a powerful laser into the cockpit of a police helicopter “for a laugh” has been ordered to carry out 180 hours' community service.
Natasha Forster, of Rochester Avenue, Feltham, aimed the beam at the aircraft, which was flying at more than 1,000ft, forcing the pilot to look away from the windows.
Pilot Mark Tuson said the distraction of the light flooding the cockpit could have had catastrophic consequences.
The helicopter crew was responding to a call-out in Staines just before midnight on August 10. The two officers in the helicopter were able to pinpoint Forster, who repeatedly shone the beam at them, and directed ground units to the arrest her and seize the laser pen.
It led to Forster, who now lives at Pavilion Gardens, Staines, being sentenced at North Surrey Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday to a six-month suspended jail sentence after pleading guilty to endangering an aircraft.
Inspector Steve Cheeseman, of the Surrey Police air operations unit, said: “Laser pens can be very powerful and to shine one into the cockpit of any aircraft during flight is extremely dangerous. It could easily blind or distract the pilot and puts everyone on board at risk.
“The sentence handed out sends a clear warning to anyone else considering such reckless behaviour. Endangering an aircraft is a criminal offence and it will not be tolerated.”

From the version in my local free paper... " she made 10 attempts with the laser..... it had been a joke, claiming she did not realise it was a police helicopter.

Why does an idiot take a laser when night fishing?
beamender99 is offline  
Old 28th Aug 2009, 22:17
  #325 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: New York City
Posts: 820
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Inspector Steve Cheeseman, of the Surrey Police air operations unit, said: “The sentence handed out sends a clear warning to anyone else considering such reckless behaviour.”
Yeah, a clear warning they won't be sent to prison.
Stupid decision by the court and stupid comment by the cop.

Look at post #82.
That was the proper message.
Shame it didn't get through to the court near Heathrow!

B.
Bronx is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2009, 12:09
  #326 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: netherlands
Age: 56
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I only read the first 35 posts, so maybe it has come up. What is minimum laser power that could be used to cause problems in a cockpit?

A few months ago I bought a laser pen in China, you can make nice star cluster in dark rooms etc. When I take off the front lens it gives a powerfull beam. When the batteries are fresh its strong enough to shine on sky crapers miles away. Would that be enough to influence cockpit operations?

I hardly use & keep it away from my kids.. however everybody can buy them for a few dollars..
keesje is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2009, 13:48
  #327 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Lincoln, England
Age: 80
Posts: 54
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
With reference to post #320, the article states that mere possession of such articles is a criminal offence in Sweden!
AvroLincoln is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2009, 14:02
  #328 (permalink)  
See and avoid
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: USA
Posts: 688
Received 33 Likes on 20 Posts
" she made 10 attempts with the l@ser..... it had been a joke, claiming she did not realise it was a police helicopter.
So she thought it would be acceptable if it wasn't a police helicopter? Or is she only sorry she was caught?
visibility3miles is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2009, 14:31
  #329 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Posts: 2,312
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
In the last few few weeks there have been reports of these devices being directed from a car towards airliners on the approach to Corfu airport in Greece.
Bealzebub is offline  
Old 8th Sep 2009, 14:42
  #330 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 260
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by keesje
I only read the first 35 posts, so maybe it has come up. What is minimum l@ser power that could be used to cause problems in a cockpit?

A few months ago I bought a l@ser pen in China, you can make nice star cluster in dark rooms etc. When I take off the front lens it gives a powerfull beam. When the batteries are fresh its strong enough to shine on sky crapers miles away. Would that be enough to influence cockpit operations?

I hardly use & keep it away from my kids.. however everybody can buy them for a few dollars..
I have been on the receiving side of someone shining his/her green laser at a "sky scraper miles away" (i.e. my home). Luckily I didn't suffer any eye damage. Jokes like that can end careers.
xetroV is offline  
Old 14th Sep 2009, 19:52
  #331 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A lot of the incidents that have ended in prosecutions of some kind seem to have involved police helicopters.

Is it fair to say that by virtue of having more than one pilot, commercial airlines are less vulnerable to this sort of thing ending in a fatal accident?

I'm asking all this as a non-pilot, just a bit worried about something that is not receiving that much exposure in the press.
dxara is offline  
Old 14th Sep 2009, 20:06
  #332 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: UK
Age: 35
Posts: 359
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From what I understand the beam fills the whole cockpit with a green light so it would be my guess that both pilots suffer impaired vision due to the light.
poss is offline  
Old 15th Sep 2009, 01:38
  #333 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Manchester
Posts: 56
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Had a green lazer shone into my flight deck a few nights ago, at night ,on final approach at 1000ft. It completely blinds you and impedes night vision for several seconds after.Of course you dont look at it, but trying to get a fix on its location to inform atc, its like trying not to look at the sun. When you have 300 lives behind you, depending on you to land them safely, this is no joke, the book should be throw as hard as possible at whoever thinks its fun to do this.
Cubbie is offline  
Old 24th Sep 2009, 22:38
  #334 (permalink)  
Location, Location, Location
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: If it moves, watch it like a hawk: If it doesn't, hit it with a hammer until it does...
Age: 60
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
As a PAX I witnessed another one this evening.

Downwind into LL some tw*t in sarf lundun targetted the aircraft. It was certainly deliberate and followed us for a couple of miles, getting 'on-target' at least three times so that I could see back down the beam.

Talked to the III after landing just to confirm that they had seen it and reported it.

Death is too good for them; a perpetual state of transit at somewhere like Mogadishu would be a fitting punishment.

mocoman is offline  
Old 1st Oct 2009, 21:18
  #335 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chandler, Arizona
Posts: 183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sunderland

Tonight I flew BRU-NCL as SLF on an RJ.

Someone near Sunderland coast was shining a green laser at us. I was really surprised how powerful it was especially when the idiot got it right on target.

I am going to call the local bobby. I think I got a reasonbly good fix on the location.
ACARS is offline  
Old 9th Oct 2009, 21:57
  #336 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: East Molesey, Surrey, UK
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The Beeb is interested in publicising how potentially dangerous this issue is. They would like to interview a professional pilot who has experienced a l@ser incident. If anybody could do this (and - seriously - don't bother unless you have the permission of your employer to do it) click on my username and email me. You'd take part in a live chat session at a high profile time. I am not the Beeb, but I can put you in touch. I can't help them because I have not suffered a l@ser assault.
shortfinals is offline  
Old 13th Oct 2009, 05:29
  #337 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42
Posts: 138
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looks like they found their man, it made the Beeb news this morning...my worry is that now all the idiots that hadnt thought of doing it will have been given some ideas...
antic81 is offline  
Old 13th Oct 2009, 08:01
  #338 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: 42 34N, 3 02E
Posts: 83
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here's the item;

BBC NEWS | UK | Laser beam air attacks on rise

WP
Whiskey Papa is offline  
Old 13th Oct 2009, 14:06
  #339 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Merseyside
Posts: 175
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Antic81 I'm with you on that, just watch the number of attacks rocket now there is all this publicity.
lplsprog is offline  
Old 14th Oct 2009, 09:08
  #340 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Here
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Long time lurker, first time poster here.

The local feral 'yoof' have taken to mucking about with at least one of these gadgets - having been 'hit' from the other end of the street the other evening I realised for the first time how much of a hazard these things are ('hit' from about 400yds away, side on to the beam and dazzled for several seconds afterwards).

As I live only a half mile or so from the flightpath of aircraft on final approach to Edinburgh airport I did my civic duty. Sadly, experience of the local plod leads me to believe they won't pursue incidents of this type until they are fishing aircraft parts out of the Firth of Forth

IMHO pointing one of these things at an aircraft (or any moving vehicle) should be treated as attempted murder.
Tifosa is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.