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Old 26th Jul 2006, 01:26
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A book was written on the incident' All four engines have failed' author is Betty Tootell, (from Auckland New Zealand.) a passenger on the flight.

It highlights the surperb effort of Captain Eric Moody, First Officer Roger Greaves, and their crew to re-start the 747's four engines.

The incident is known in this part of the world as the "jarkarta incident'.

It is a facinating read of the 1983 incident.
British airways can certainly take a bow for their crew training-especially
four engines-out drill!

I have a copy of the book( NOT for sale) anyone wanting more info, please PM me. I will try and locate some more copies, or even the author! as I live in the area.
Most passengers have apparently kept in touch.

Hope this helps.
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Old 29th Jul 2006, 08:02
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Many copies are available on amazon from about £15.00
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Same thing happened to a brand-new KLM 747 near ANC in 1989, with similar outcome.

Engines were CF6's by the way.
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Old 30th Jul 2006, 20:33
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Very good description of the incident in the book Emergency by Stanley Stewart.
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Old 17th Aug 2006, 15:56
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For many years prior to the incident Eric had been in an icy dispute with BA about his seniority. (He spent some time with BEA before joining BOAC, the airlines merged to form BA.)

I would just have loved to have been in the Office the day news first arrived that a BA aircraft had survived this very near disaster through the skill and heroic action of the flight crew, when the Flight Ops Director said, "Good show! - and who was in command?" .
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My favourite quote from Eric Moody, describing the landing, as volcanic ash had scoured the windshields...

"It was like trying to navigate blindfold up a badger's arse"...

I hope I got that right!

Magic stuff...as well as the outstanding skills of Eric, Roger and Barry, the SEO who brought the flying ashtray down in one piece.
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 15:46
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Originally Posted by FOMere2eternity
Oh for God's sake artist, do I have to spell it out?

In 1988 (3 yrs before GW1) I believe that a British Airways 747 (like the one used to get SF into Kuwait in GW1), was overflying Indonesa (well, Indonesia has a military and we sell them Hawks), when they flew through what their radar (military invention) said was cloud, but in actual fact was vulcano dust.

All engines stopped, and I believe that after loosing 20,000 ft (as high as a Tornado can get), they were able to get restarts (Flt Ops Officers).

Aircraft upon arrival at Perth (RAAF base somewhere near there), required all four engines to be changed (regular feature of SA charters)

Does anyone have a copy of the CVR of this incident.

Thanks and regards

Col Tigwell
The aircraft was flying from Kuala Lumpar to Perth (about five hours flight time) and flew into volcanic cloud. All four engines failed, the aircraft drifted below the cloud and re-started all four engines. The ATC told them to climb to 15,000 feet (terrain) but they re-entered the cloud, lost an engine and the captain bought them back to 12,000. They successfully landed BA009 at Jakarta on three engines and with very poor forward visibility due to damage to the windshield caused by the volcanic activity.
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 17:09
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Remind me again who was on the Flight Deck when they lost the donks..
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Old 18th Aug 2006, 22:51
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Quote "It highlights the surperb effort of Captain Eric Moody, First Officer Roger Greaves, and their crew to re-start the 747's four engines."

What a shame you didn't include the real hero of the incident; AKA the Flight Engineer.
I reckon that if the aircraft had been a 'modern' Airbus, that doesn't allow you to break the rules, the outcome would have been ......................
No; I'm not a flight Engineer, but I was brought up on aircraft with them and I mourn their passing.
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Old 19th Aug 2006, 03:26
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Originally Posted by Matt Vinyl
I reckon that if the aircraft had been a 'modern' Airbus, that doesn't allow you to break the rules, the outcome would have been ......................
Interesting theory. What rules do you think they'd have had to break on an Airbus to achieve the same outcome?
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Old 19th Aug 2006, 03:28
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Give em a clue wiggy. Only two of the three flight crew were present.......
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Old 19th Aug 2006, 10:42
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Oh come on guys you dont wont to ruin the mans reputation with what are mere facts do you...?
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Old 22nd Aug 2006, 19:51
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[quote=Matt Vinyl]Quote "It highlights the surperb effort of Captain Eric Moody, First Officer Roger Greaves, and their crew to re-start the 747's four engines."

What a shame you didn't include the real hero of the incident; AKA the Flight Engineer.

For the reference the SFE's name is Barry Townley-Freeman.

Sorry for the thread creep.
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Old 22nd Aug 2006, 22:00
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Originally Posted by Lostinspace
Said aircraft flying cargo with Air Atlanta
Nope, as said before, the actual aircraft is indeed at Bournemouth airport. Parked at EAL. Just completed my MCC course at EAL and my instructor pointed it out.

Wings and engine are indeed gone.

The Captain actually lived only a few miles at the time from where I do now, hopefully something in the water round these parts!
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Old 22nd Aug 2006, 23:17
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Can someone tell me how to attach a pdf to a thread. I have a 5 page report from a safety magazine that gives all the details of the said 'Galunggung Incident'.
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Old 8th Sep 2006, 20:43
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Filming docu-drama on BA 009

I am involved in producing a documentary on this incident, and I would love to see if anyone has seen any photos of teh aircraft after it landed. Apparently all paint, or most of it was scraped from the fuselage, adn many of the formard looking windows were made opaque from the ash cloud.

Has anyone actually seen video or still photos of the aircraft after it landed?

Many Thanks,
Dean Perlmutter
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Old 9th Sep 2006, 05:08
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Flameout!

No question , it was a brilliant performance from the crew.

However, this was a Rolls Royce powered aircraft.
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Old 9th Sep 2006, 08:49
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Air Disaster: Volume 2 by Macarthur Job has a good description of the incident from both the flight deck and inside the passenger cabin, as well as several photos and technical drawings.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Disaster...e=UTF8&s=books

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Old 9th Sep 2006, 10:32
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Part of our introductory and recurrent training on the 47-400 et al was a video titled something like "Avoiding volcanic ash". It contained a reconstruction of the incident including an interview with Eric Moody and video, taken after arrival in Jakarta, of the damage incurred. Very sobering!!
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Old 11th Sep 2006, 02:53
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Thanks! - Do you know who made the video, or what course you were on where? Just anything to point me in the right direction to find this footage.
Thanks,
Dean
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