British 747 looses all engines
 

In 1988 I believe that a British Airways 747, was overflying Indonesa, when they flew through what their radar said was cloud, but in actual fact was vulcano dust.

All engines stopped, and I believe that after loosing 20,000 ft, they were able to get restarts.

Aircraft upon arrival at Perth, required all four engines to be changed.

Does anyone have a copy of the CVR of this incident.

Thanks and regards

Col Tigwell

Where's the military connection :confused:

Oh for God's sake artist, do I have to spell it out?

In 1988 (3 yrs before GW1) I believe that a British Airways 747 (like the one used to get SF into Kuwait in GW1), was overflying Indonesa (well, Indonesia has a military and we sell them Hawks), when they flew through what their radar (military invention) said was cloud, but in actual fact was vulcano dust.

All engines stopped, and I believe that after loosing 20,000 ft (as high as a Tornado can get), they were able to get restarts (Flt Ops Officers).

Aircraft upon arrival at Perth (RAAF base somewhere near there), required all four engines to be changed (regular feature of SA charters)

Does anyone have a copy of the CVR of this incident.

Thanks and regards

Col Tigwell

BA 747 loses all 4 engines
 

The Website of the Captaion of BA 009 http://www.ericmoody.com/
He may have a copy, although it is rare for CVR tapes to be in the public domain, the continued willingness of crews to allow the use of CVRs is contingent on them being used for accident investigation and not being widely posted to satisfy idle curiosity. If you have a genuine reason for needing the CVR, I imagine the AAIB or CAA would oblige, but it would need to be a very good reason.

And all these years I though the Military bit was the fact that the balding gent in seat 31A had been a Corporal in the RAF!

Serious now.. I had the pleasure of flying with Eric Moody not too long after the said event. When I entered the cockpit I introduced myself and asked if he was the expert on volcanoes. The reply can't be printed but it was a smashing ride! Great character all-round.

The incident was in 1982 (the year of the Falklands War) and the aircraft was in the Southern Hemisphere (where the Falklands are situated). So there :E

When this 747 loosed all those engines, where did they end up? The storey [sic] has yet to be told!

Does an aircraft lose thrust from its engines or loose it! Spelling Tut! Tut!

Strictly speaking halton, I believe you should have ended your question with a question mark. I would also suggest the first 'tut' does not need to be capitalised as 'Spelling' is not followed by a punctuation mark.

:E

Aircraft landed in Jakarta.

Capt. Moody
 

I saw him interviewed on TV and they asked him (naturally), "What was your reaction when the fourth engine stopped running?"

He sort of smirked and said, "I think I said something like, 'Golly gosh! We've lost the fourth engine!'"

":mad: -ing hell!"

:}

As the synapses clank closed, I seem to remember a TV program on said incident.

Don't they (they being crew and passangers) reunite occasionally under the name of the offending volcano followed by "gliding club".

There was an amusing part on the prog when one of the flight crew was issuing a mayday only to be asked if he had a problem by the local ATC. Years spent assuming mayday meant "I have a problem" went out the window....

Just read the log write up, shame us engineers didn't last longer!

B747 incident
 

Thank you all for your replies.

I am attempting to obtain a copy for the CRM course, that one of my friends runs in the RAAF.

If I offended some, by posting it in the wrong forum, I regret same.

However as it is a flying safe issue, felt that some within, may have heard it.

Regards

Col Tigwell

The F/E was ex-RAF if that helps.

Not that I'm a spotter or anything, but said 747 is now in a scrap yard at Bournemouth airport, having had it's wings chopped off!! It should go to a museum!

Excellent CRM Link
 

:D Wow, Paul Wilson great link man !!!

Captain Eric Barry,the Flight Engineer and First Officer, and Cabin Crew Really showed what CRM/SOP/ADM really means amazing and beautiful account. and what a great engine/ airframe combination the 747- 200/ Pratt and Whitney JT9D were/are.:ok: :ok: :ok:

Right up there with Al haynes and his crew on the DC-10 or Gimli Glider Boeing 767-200 and Air Transat A-330 :ok: :D :D :D :ok:

747 Glider
 

Said aircraft flying cargo with Air Atlanta

Herkman
You could try VAA Flight Crew Training at Horley. We used to use a video for volcanic ash avoidance which included a sequence of that incident. Eric Moody's closing description of turning finals into Jakarta standing up on the pedals so as to be able to see (just) out of the front and the total sense of relief when he realised they had made it was quite palpable, even at the remove of many years. The shots of the damage incurred on windscreens, engine intakes, leading edges etc. were pretty sobering!!:eek: