HeadSet on Cruise ???
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My company rules call for headsets in all phases but cruise.
I always wear headsets throught the flight (well they´re ANR Sennheisers) but working purely in HF areas with positive SELCAL I sometimes take them off, just to relax from the clamps.
I always wear headsets throught the flight (well they´re ANR Sennheisers) but working purely in HF areas with positive SELCAL I sometimes take them off, just to relax from the clamps.
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I never ever allowed crew to use speakers...headsets only, all the time.
After all, how are you going to listen to the BBC financial report without bothering the other guys?
And a few tried to complete HF comms with speaker...what a complete waste of time.
The large airlines that I worked for didn't
have a policy, strangly enough.
After all, how are you going to listen to the BBC financial report without bothering the other guys?
And a few tried to complete HF comms with speaker...what a complete waste of time.
The large airlines that I worked for didn't
have a policy, strangly enough.
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Working in ATC at Heathrow it was always noticeable which crews were using hand mics. A number of US pilots used them plus the crews of one or two European and African airlines. I never could understand why; surely it's more convenient to have both hands free at a time when pilots say they have a high cockpit workload?

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Always keep mine on, I have a lightweight headset that you can hardly feel and I find cockpit speakers very intrusive.
The Air Navigation Order prohibits the crew of UK registered public transport aircraft using hand mics. below 15,000ft in controlled airspace and during take-off and landing.
The Air Navigation Order prohibits the crew of UK registered public transport aircraft using hand mics. below 15,000ft in controlled airspace and during take-off and landing.
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About the use of the handmike:
Supposing the PNF does the comms:
During manual flight (very often the last 3000 ft or so), it is rather annoying for the PF, if the PNF uses the toggle switch on the yoke. It is also quite awkward for the PNF to use the toggle switch on the audi selector panel, as this is the same hand he needs to operate the gear/flaps/MCP etc.
This is the reason why I always use the handmike, with headset on. Handmike is in my left hand, and my right hand is free to operate the levers and switches. (me being in the left seat;-))
Headsets on below FL100 is the rule in our comp.
Supposing the PNF does the comms:
During manual flight (very often the last 3000 ft or so), it is rather annoying for the PF, if the PNF uses the toggle switch on the yoke. It is also quite awkward for the PNF to use the toggle switch on the audi selector panel, as this is the same hand he needs to operate the gear/flaps/MCP etc.
This is the reason why I always use the handmike, with headset on. Handmike is in my left hand, and my right hand is free to operate the levers and switches. (me being in the left seat;-))
Headsets on below FL100 is the rule in our comp.
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We have had virtually all hand mikes removed due to the fact that they were either falling off their clips onto the floor with the PTT subsequently and inadvertently getting stuck in transmit or sometimes the pilots leg or bag etc would push the PTT. (Small cockpit the 737)
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We have noise reduction headsets, so obviously to get the full effect the headset has to be worn over both ears, and the intercom has to be used. It's a right pain in the butt flying with someone how insists on not wearing a headset. Depending on my mood at the time I might take one ear 'off', or make them repeat themselves constantly until they get the message.
It's very noticeable that colleagues who fly with their headsets off in the cruise miss far more radio calls.
Just at a tangent, can anyone explain why PA's (in our 737-500s at least) come across clearer through the handmic than the headset?
It's very noticeable that colleagues who fly with their headsets off in the cruise miss far more radio calls.
Just at a tangent, can anyone explain why PA's (in our 737-500s at least) come across clearer through the handmic than the headset?
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<<It's a right pain in the butt flying with someone how insists on not wearing a headset. >>
Same in ATC. There are some controllers who, the moment traffic loading drops from 100% to 99%, take off their headsets and use speakers and handsets!! They plainly had not the slightest regard for those sitting either side AND the handsets are not noise-cancelling so the transmissions were dreadful.
Same in ATC. There are some controllers who, the moment traffic loading drops from 100% to 99%, take off their headsets and use speakers and handsets!! They plainly had not the slightest regard for those sitting either side AND the handsets are not noise-cancelling so the transmissions were dreadful.
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Although for those that do leave their head-sets on.........after you've drunk you coffee, it helps to remember to put the mike back in front of your mouth 
It's so much easier to hear your readback.

It's so much easier to hear your readback.
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My company poilcy says headsets must be worn from taxi to TOC and TOD until parked. I usually take my headset off for long cruises.
One the point of missing radio calls, I can't say if headsets or speakers make any difference. I think it all depends if you're paying attention or not. The cockpit gets a bit more chatty during the crz, so the missing of radio calls could be due to the speakers or lack of attention. I don't have any facts to support either supposition.
One the point of missing radio calls, I can't say if headsets or speakers make any difference. I think it all depends if you're paying attention or not. The cockpit gets a bit more chatty during the crz, so the missing of radio calls could be due to the speakers or lack of attention. I don't have any facts to support either supposition.
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I don't know what sort of aircraft you fly Smoozesailing, but in the ageing 737s I fly, the quality of the flightdeck speakers isn't so great, with the relatively high background noise levels, IMHO use of heatsets in the cruise does reduce the number of 'say agains' and so on.
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If you can think of a civilised manner in which to make your point, please feel free to restate it. Otherwise, please also feel free to stay out of this forum.
Regards,
Captain Stable
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Captain Stable
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I would guess cruising across the pond with your SELCAL-whatnot in use, headsets off might be appropriate, but in the busy European arena, at peak times, with a noisy flightdeck with fitted with crappy speakers it probably isn't.



