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Any more Dash 8 200s?
I’ve heard a rumour that just as the Twin Otter is now being re-manufactured under the Viking name, there is a chance this could happen with the Dash 8 200s.
In Australia, the Sydney to Lord Howe Island service needs a Dash 8 200 because of the short runway. Has anyone got any information on this rumour? |
Sounds highly unlikely.
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It's going to be a 300 derivative. DHC are currently polling customers to see what their requirements are and they are going to configure a "new" variant accordingly. Will need DeHavilland Field construction completed soon though.
FYI, the C6 has been in production by Viking for many years now. |
Is the Dash 8-200 really the only practical aircraft for Sydney–Lord Howe Island? Other short-field aircraft are surely available. I've heard of a STOL variant of the ATR 42-600, for example?
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ATR 42-600S (the STOL version) has same performance as the DHC 8-200 so I don't see why.
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ATR 42-600S (the STOL version) has same performance as the DHC 8-200 so I don't see why. |
I’ve heard a rumour that just as the Twin Otter is now being re-manufactured under the Viking name, there is a chance this could happen with the Dash 8 200s. |
Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
(Post 11737006)
ATR website suggests a runway requirement of *800 - 1000m. *800m with a 70% payload over 200nm. Not much return on your capital there for the Lord Howe run.
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It's only 888 m long with a leg of 430 nm from Sydney and then about another 330 nm to the nearest mainland alternate which is mandatory
I have been informed that the ATR has nowhere near the range required! |
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
(Post 11737067)
It's only 888 m long with a leg of 430 nm from Sydney and then about another 330 nm to the nearest mainland alternate which is mandatory
I have been informed that the ATR has nowhere near the range required! So you would also barely have to put in any fuel for the trip to Sydney. |
Originally Posted by procede
(Post 11737118)
So you would also barely have to put in any fuel for the trip to Sydney.
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So you need a 760 nm range out of Sydney plus IFR reserves.
How many airline aircraft can do that with an economic passenger count and still be able to land and takeoff from 2800 feet? That's why there may be a market for the dash 200 hence the rumour. |
Don’t forget to allow for the westerly wind on the return leg, Sydney weather holding and traffic holding/delays.
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Solve the problem with the mighty Dash 7, that can cope with all that. Few about and no market for them sadly.
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I don't think one route to a tiny island in the Pacific is going to convince someone to re open an aircraft production line!
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Including the turnpads, the length is above 1 km. I think an ATR42-600s with some restrictions (fewer seats) should work.
Would it be possible to fit an auxiliary fuel tank? |
TORA / ASDA is 888m
LDA RWY 28 768m there might be 1km of bitumen but those are the numbers. |
Originally Posted by Dick Smith
(Post 11737159)
So you need a 760 nm range out of Sydney plus IFR reserves.
How many airline aircraft can do that with an economic passenger count and still be able to land and takeoff from 2800 feet? That's why there may be a market for the dash 200 hence the rumour. it would be nice for a 30 seat replacement aircraft to come onto the market, both the Q300 and Saab340 are getting a little long in the tooth and the ATR42 is a little too big, but a 1900 is a bit too small. |
Well, there is actually a review underway at the moment in Canada. There is some strong interest globally at both ongoing support of existing 100/200/300 airframes and is looking at the feasibility of restarting production.
The -200 risk is well known and identified in the Lord Howe context. There was also a study into extending Lord Howe. https://www.lhib.nsw.gov.au/sites/de...20Part%206.pdf |
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