Time To Command ?
 

Thought it might be interesting for a no-nonsense comparison of "quoted" time to Command in your Airline. Let's try and base the answers on known facts, not hearsay.

Let's also state aircraft type just for comparison.

I'll start, Britannia Airways (UK) B767/757 10 yrs.

B Med, direct entry command A320, so 0mins.
Ex Herc, Tornado, Jag, 5mins, OK maybe a bit more as they like 500hrs on type, has been done in less than a year.
Civvy trash 4years+.

GMEDX, could you please explain what you mean by the phrase "civvy trash 4years+", I would hate to misunderstand you.

Civvy Trash? with that kind of arrogance u should not be in the right hand seat, never mind the left!

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Civvy trash? Ah yes, another pearl of wisdom from the military left.

If I didn't think he was a wind up, I'd be ashamed to admit I am ex military. Sometimes I am anyway; but then, when I left, I left.

Maybe he is a wind up, but I find it sad that BA have BMed as a franchise, being as it is mainly ex air force. BA 3yrs or less to EOG command, 8yrs to mainline, 12yrs to longhaul.

Eurowings, Germany: ATR 42/72 3years

Amazing isn't it how we can interpret things so radically differently depending upon the nature of the chip on our shoulders? I actually assumed that the guy was "Civvy" and that perhaps he had himself been "passed over" for command to the benefit of some military jock........

Ah well, the worlds full of them I s'pose. For me, military/civvy don't much care as long as he has command ability. Too few companies look for this when the chips are down and the schedule is about to collapse due to the lack of left seaters, all with the hours are welcome to apply and will be "shoehorned in to fit (well 'til they have the prerequisite 500 hours or so to develop a mouth and the old attitude slips out.....

Oh dear, did I say that?

By the way - used to be that Virgin Express Ireland would look at you once you had 3000 total, 1500 JAR25 including 500 on type (negotiable) and that for 737 Efis.

Course it's all somewhat academic now.......

CX: D/E F/O 10 years. S/O: 13 - 18 years.

TRUE.

Monarch
6 years at the mo.

If your dad is one of the owners of CTC
2700hrs total

Tower Air, B-747-100/200.
Right to left seat, 19 months.
4 years later back on the street as the horse I rode died.

RIP.

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Men, this is no drill...

At AA about 8-10 years to upgrade (subject to change with our new TWA step-children). Seventeen years from new hire to 777 Captain.

G-MEDX, you'll make a great radio operator, one day (unless, of course, I'm missing the subtle humour).

dd.

GMEDX, those “Civvy trash” taxpayers paid for your training!

TTFN

Listen guys - GMEDX is an embittered person who is definitly not ex military - trust me on that one. Just because he took a while to get a command he has a giant chip on his shoulder. If your face fits and you're good enough - whatever your background BMed is a good place to get a quick command and can comfortably be done in 2 years. (PS GMEDX is shortly leaving BMed anyway)

Airtours: 2-3 years recently. May slow though now.

BA 2000/2001 casandra run. S/H mainline command bid after 5 years, course approx 6 yrs, although it will dry up and any two stripers now may get caught in a 10-15 year trap.

BTSM

SAS 10 years

Ouzo, I suggest that you go back and look at the title of the thread, it’s ‘time to command’, NOT 'number of hours'.

The fact that the aforementioned person has that amount of experience is neither here nor there. What is relevant is that of those 2700 hours, about 2500 of them are with easyJet on the B737-300. When it comes down to calculating ‘factored’ hours (as easyJet do) it’s probably the same as someone whose got maybe 4 or 5 thousand from flying other types of aircraft in other types of environments.

Also on the command course with him was another guy with similar experience whose parentage is in no way related to CTC, nor anything to do with easyJet. So how do you suggest he got there?

They both had to go through the same command selection process as everyone else. Maybe it’s the fact that he’s most likely to have his fourth bar before his 25th birthday that’s upsetting you?

I suggest that you get down to McDonalds and ask them to give you some money for that f***ing huge chip that you’ve got on your shoulder.

Tw@t

what_the_hell_was_that
Well said this ouzo has to be a complete tosser.

Dear mindstorm,

How do I get into Airtours?

I rest my case!

It took me 8 yrs at Fedex, but we have some in training that got the 727 left seat at 5 1/2 yrs.
Jim Fedex 727 Capt.

If you read what else 'ouzo' has written on this board, it would appear that he is a very lonely individual. Not surprising, since few people want to be associated with bitter, childish and envious individuals....

He would be the one to run to Management if you did anything he thought could earn him a point: 'Sir, sir, my captain just did.....')

Go home and grow up, ouzo. Then come back and run the race on your own qualities, without recourse to petty bickering and infantile, puerile sniping.

Virgin Atlantic.... at a calculated guess 8 years for new joiners.

GMEDX


YOU ARE AN IDIOT. You are the kind that will fly into a mountain or run out of fuel and kill 200 people in the process. No place for yourkind in the cockpit. No wonder military " Retired " you.

You thorougly suck.

Sincerely from my heart JJ

I enjoyed throwing yourkind into the slammer when you screwed up...My badge I don't need no stinking badges.

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SO .....I was right then?

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I'm finger lickin'

Ryanair, 200 fleet, 2 years

regards

73

Emirates Airlines:
B777 or A330, 3 years from date of hiring.

Record is something like 18 months. Still going to be fast in the next 2 years, may slow down a bit after that. Then again, they have plans to go from 30 odd aircraft now, to 100 by 2008. Those are just plans though.

Before we all get upset with GMEDX might I suggest that his post re civvy trash was actually subtle humour and that this is possibly the perceived attitude to suitability to command in that airline ??

Emirates Airlines:
B777 or A330, 3 years from date of hiring.

Record is something like 18 months. Still going to be fast in the next 2 years, may slow down a bit after that. Then again, they have plans to go from 30 odd aircraft now, to 100 by 2008. Those are just plans though.

Sorry mates I must apologise it was a wind-up which got some of you going, don't forget the warning at the bottom of the page as Danny always says. As my BODlian pal rightly guesses I was just trying to emphasise the problems that can arise without seniority taking a greater say in promotion than perceived 'right stuff'. I'm still not telling you what my persuasion is though. Once again apologies to all those who took it the wrong way but keep the debate going.

How about BMI, Virgin Atlantic, Monarch, Air2000, klmUK, Go-fly etc ?

KLM uk. Direct entry command on turbo props, about seven years to jet command.

DHL 8 yrs, though most wait a little longer to avoid abuse.

bmi :-

Say two to four years.

Qantas 767 presently 12-13 years and increasing.

Son of Piltdown, two to four years.
Sorry, couldn't resist. Too much spare time down route :-)

For SIA,
You will be told that it is about 8-10 years after checking out as a FO.
In reality, you seldom see anyone who is considered fit to attend a command selection "tea party" with less than 10 years experience as an FO. Let alone be selected for command training.
All in all (including training if selected) you are looking at 12 years.
As for cadet who is joining now, you have no hope in hell, as the bean-counters in Flight Ops regards that command training is more costly than a direct entry captain.

Austrian Airlines - about 11 years from right to left seat

And You start as MD80 or A320 captain, no matter from which aircraft type You came from

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