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tcmel 18th April 2010 17:18

Thanks, there's now a second one, assuming Germany-France. HLX113. Two flights over Belgium in three days. Let's hear it for progress. :rolleyes:

Fatfish 18th April 2010 17:19

Fond memories: Daily wiping off ash from the 1991 Mount Pinotubo eruption from my car with my feather duster before driving to Singapore Changi airport for flight duty. :)
Not a fond memory: 3 Engines quitting on a Singapore 747 from the plum of Mount Gulunggung just three weeks after Capt Moody's famous glide.:eek:
I guess its all down to the intensity of the ash. If they allow flights, I hope it only be VFR/Day. :hmm:

MPN11 18th April 2010 17:23


Originally Posted by ElyFlyer
Breaking News from a press conference by Eurocontrol. They are hoping 50% of flights in europe will be able to operate tomorrow. Some good news at last!

If that's a joke, you will die a VERY slow and painful death ;)

ElyFlyer 18th April 2010 17:25

I promise its not. Its on Sky News now

PENKO 18th April 2010 17:26

I'll repeat :)
KLM has resumed limited commercial operations tonight

Common sense prevails.

windshear-a-head 18th April 2010 17:28

Got to admire the Russians - Aeroflot en-route from Moscow to Madrid, only departed 10 minutes late and will arrive (hoepfully :}) in Madrid on-time.

22 Degree Halo 18th April 2010 17:31

Where is the BA test flight? Off radar now?

slatterri 18th April 2010 17:33

Test flight visible
 
Virtual RADAR box showing G-CIVC 747 over Brecon VOR heading West around 18:17 at 20,000ft and 350KTs.

PhilV 18th April 2010 17:33

TUIfly
 
HLX2262 currently up from FAO TO HAJ 165 on Board. TUI bringing its guests out of Hell.

tcmel 18th April 2010 17:34

Any info on dep/destination of KLM flights?

1985 18th April 2010 17:37


Well, there we go, KLM starts flying commercially tonight. No passengers, only freight, but still. According to the CEO European airspace is safe with the exception of parts between Iceland and Russia.

Hope the rest follows soon
He might have a biased view though? :hmm:

NATS and the other ANSP's don't want this to continue as much as the airlines don't. They are losing money by the day aswell. Its silly for anyone to suggest otherwise. They restricted the airspace on the basis of what science there is and the met data available. Its not their fault that there is very little science available. The countries that do regularly deal with volcanos and ash clouds haven't done any because they have the available airspace to fly round them, which isn't possible in western europe. And there is no data availble on how ash affects jet engines because no research has ever been done beyond very basic stuff in response to previous incidents. Noone knows how dense or big the particles have to be in order to stop an engine, they only know that it can happen.

All the ANSP's went for the safest possible cause of action based on the information that they had, which is the whole point of of the ANSP, to provide the safest possible air traffic service they can. It is then up to the regulators, CAA, ICAO, etc and the various governments to decide when it is safe to fly.

WojtekSz 18th April 2010 17:37

northern and central parts of Poland are reopened for air traffic

rayand 18th April 2010 17:37

Yes, I meant year!

PENKO 18th April 2010 17:39

The KLM flights departure from Amsterdam, destination was not mentioned on the news. All three are freight flights departing in daylight, as permitted by the Dutch authorities.

Yeah, the KLM CEO might have a biased view. One however supported maybe by testflights of more than ten of his own aircraft and many more European airlines.

zfw 18th April 2010 17:42

Looking at the Raderbox there are currently a few aircraft testing the skies.

BAW9156 GCIVC over South Wales at 30000ft

HLX2262 DATUK 738 EDDF-LEMH at 38000ft

HLX113 DAHFI 738 over Holland at 41000ft

TUIFLY111 738 DAHFP over Northern France at 41000ft

AFR383S 773 FGQSD Heading toward Paris at 24000ft

DCALM is also up again in the UK

430tststs 18th April 2010 17:42

mph97
 
mph97 just left schiphol

PhilV 18th April 2010 17:44

tuifly
 

HLX2262 DATUK 738 EDDF-LEMH at 38000ft
not a test as i said. 165 stranded passengers on board. Collected in FAO

JanetFlight 18th April 2010 17:45

Yeap....but when all things start to be more cool, take a look at this from the very last hours »»»

Órói á stöðvum við Eyjafjallajökul

Really hope only a passing hiccup..:O

deltayankee 18th April 2010 17:46

Destination of first KLM cargo is Sharjah UAE, second is Bangkok.

TRC 18th April 2010 17:47

I wonder if Willy Whatsit is enjoying 1st Class cabin service on the BA airtest


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