Turkish airliner crashes at Schiphol
 

Apparantly a Turkish airliner crashed at Schiphol, it broke in 3 pieces on the Polderbaan near the A9 autoroute, 135 souls on board.

Crash
 

I live 10 mins from there, wonder what happened!

Turkish Airlines, no fire, 135souls.

According to another website forum, they are saying it was a THY 737-800. Came down short of the runway and in three pieces.

Weather
 

>>> Eham (amsterdam Schiphol) <<<

Metar 250955z 21010kt 4500 Br Bkn007 Ovc008 05/04 Q1027 Tempo 2500

Taf 250522z 2506/2612 22008kt 6000 Br Few012 Bkn016 Becmg
2508/2511 Sct004 Bkn006 Tempo 2508/2521 4000 Br -dz Prob30
Tempo 2508/2514 1200 -dzra Sct002 Bkn003 Becmg 2511/2514
24012kt Becmg 2523/2602 27015kt Becmg 2602/2605 9999 Nsw
Few020 Becmg 2608/2611 28017g28kt

Indeed, trying to phone my friend there. Dutch media reports a 737-800 with 135 pax on board. Witnesses report people walking away from the wreckage and no fire. Broken in 3 pieces short of runway 18R/36L NOT on the airport perimeter. EHAM's closed to all traffic.

BBC news is once again slow, Sky has more just now...

picture
 

Picture here:
nu.nl/algemeen | Vliegtuig neergestort bij Schiphol
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No fire is good...
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Seems people are able to get out...
RTVNH - fotoviewer More pictures

I think it was Flight 1951 which was due in from Instanbul.

Aircraft involved believed to be TC-JGE a Boeing 737-800.

Eyewitness report
 

Heard on the radio a eyewitness report:

" Saw the turkish airliner lower than normal on approach. Suddenly it pitched up quite steep, but the pilot recovered and a/c assumed a normal attitude. Then the nose tipped down and it fell like a piece of lead into the field. An engine seperated and came to a rest a bit further. some 40-50 ppl vacated the a/c. a/c in 3 pieces, tail broke off, and after approx row 10 close to an emergency exit the fuselage broke aswell. No fire."

Sounded like a relatively accurate report.

Pretty unusual for there to be no fire if it broke in to three pieces. Could this be a rare out of fuel event? Pure speculation on my part I admit but there is no other information available at this stage.

Eric Moody (Whom I respect immensely) has said on Sky 'Holland is very flat'......:ugh:

Detailed pic:

NOSJOURNAAL - Vliegtuig gecrasht bij Schiphol

It seems that no emergency was declared by the crew prior to the accident.

Birds ??

Casualties reported according to this:

Turkish Airlines plane crashes in Amsterdam, at least 40 survived

Turkish Airlines plane crashes in Amsterdam, at least 40 survived
A Turkish Airlines plane has crashed during landing at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, TV channels reported on Wednesday. Transportation Ministry officials said around 40 people have survived, broadcaster NTV reported.

A Dogan News Agency reporter at the scene said the plane broke into three sections and some passengers immediately started to evacuate the plane.

Turkish Airlines flight TK 1951 crashed during landing at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport on Wednesday.

Dogan News Agency said 135 passengers were on board and there were casualties.Turkish TV channels reported that eight crew members were also on board the flight.

Dogan News Agency (DHA) reported citing Dutch officials that 135 passengers were on board and there were casualties.

NTV broadcaster said at least 40 people may have been survived.

The plane reportedly broke into three sections upon impact, DHA said.

The plane was a Boeing 737-800 type, CNNTurk reported.

Could say that..

TACT/CASA MESSAGE : XCD - CLOSURE
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REF : CLOSURE OF ROTTERDAM (EHRD)
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DUE TO : LACK OF PARKING/CANNOT BE USED AS EHAM ALTERNATE
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REG ID : EHRDA25
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VALID : WEF: WIE UNTIL: 1230 UTC (ESTIMATED)
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REMARKS : -FLIGHTS INTENDING TO OPERATE AFTER THE
CLOSURE MUST SEND AN FCM AND WILL RECEIVE
A SAM/SRM ACCORDING TO THE RE-OPENING TIME.
-FCM MUST CONTAIN REGULATION ID:
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-FLIGHTS DIVERTING AND NOT YET DEPARTED MUST CNL
THE FPL AND RE-FILE TO ALTERNATE AERODROME
-FLIGHTS NOT INTENDING TO OPERATE MUST CNL
THEIR FPL BY SENDING A CNL MESSAGE.
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CFMU OPERATIONS DIVISION-BRUSSELS.


While im at it... Airport Re-opened..

REF : CLOSURE OF AMSTERDAM (EHAM) UPDATE: AIRPORT HAS
RE-OPENED
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DUE TO : AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT
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REG ID : EHAMA25
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NOTE : REGULATION IS IN PLACE WITH REDUCED RATE TILL 1600 UTC

Rotterdam filling up
 

looking out of the window... rotterdam is filling up rapidly.

Interesting for fuel policies of airlines. As at Madrid, when there is a significant emergency, the airfield closes, no matter how many runways it has. Now the common alternate is closed - interesting to see how many aircraft would have nominated Rotterdam as their alternate, as I reckon 90% would. My company's fuel policy does not allow for these sorts of planning contingencies.

Turkish press reporting 1 dead, 20 injured.

126 people on board.
1 flight attendant with serious injuries.

HÜRRÝYET - TÜRKÝYE'NÝN AÇILIÞ SAYFASI

BBC reporting up to 50 survivors at the moment.

They are also quoting Dutch TV "dozens of survivors seen walking away from the wreckage"

I hope everyone gets out OK, although looking at that picture I would be very surprised.

I think you are just used to seeing the plane standing on struts and wheels ...the lower deck is not 'completely crushed', but it is not going to be intact now is it ?

http://images2-telegraaf.nl/multimed...ol_608951d.jpg
Not sure how much this helps...

Edit: Better location shown here - Google Maps

Not with the entire fire cover for the airfield in attendance.

This is what usually closes airports even if they do have more than one runway.

I think it is reasonable to "close" an airport for a short while, for emergency resources, round up survivors, even security. It is open again already...

Lets stop with these unnecessary jokes. Now is not the right time. Just look at this:
http://www.panman.eu/Vliegtuig-neergestort3.jpg
(pic comes from RTVNH - fotoviewer , I just resized it a little)

Judging from the pictures I'd say it's more or less here:

from: 52.377339,4.711719 - Google Maps

The passenger account
 

One of the passengers interviewed currently on a news channel here in Turkey: he says that there was no warning or anything before the crash; they were getting ready to land when it happened, he says that it felt as if they entered a strong turbulence area...and then all of a sudden they hit the ground ...
currently THY officials say on tv that there are only injured passengers as of now...

Very heavy impact: nufoto.nl | vlieg tuig

I was wandering why you all were making jokes...I realised 1 dead before you guys...you shouldn't be watching BBC, CNN or Sky News...I stopped watching them about 2 years ago...Reuters were the first to know...I checked all websites...
It's sad and not to be joked about when 1 is dead...

Even though it is a huge airport, any event like this happening would necessitate a full turnout from the Airport Fire Service and that in turn would mean no further air traffic movements due to a lack of fire cover.

[QUOTE]ajamieson: Whereas this thread, with multiple users simultaneously repeating what we can all already see on television, and which is clearly incorrect in any case, is somehow better?[/QUOTE]


It's painful on here too but cmon...there is a relatively small amount of speculation on here compared to the likes of SKY and CNN.

This chat is all pretty irrelevant anyway, wouldn't you say?

Location of Crash
 

Having worked in the town of Hoofddorp for a long while, it looks like this was approaching the Polderbaan, Amsterdam Schiphol’s runway that is way off from the rest of the airport. If that map is correct it crashed on approach short of the aerodrome, let alone the runway. It seems to me that the crash did not take place at Schiphol at all, but took place outside the airport’s boundary - if that map’s correct.

Eyewitness in here reported a/c on the approach being low and suddenly pitching up and after that pitching down and basically plunging from the sky into the field.

Passenger reported felt like being hit by strong turbulence.

Anyone info on the a/c type ahead, from experience, AMS in known for keeping separation down to the very bare minimum. Often one has to increase separation due to wake turbulence.

Wing Vortech?
 

<does anyone know if the Turkish was following a Heavy ie B75, or simmilar on approach?, I am thinking of wing Vortech.

Interesting point: no slides deployed.

Dutch live TV now reporting 4 to 5 bodies covered with sheets / in bodybags on the site... :(

Oh dear...

Anyone know what the runway number was and what the spot wind was at the time of landing? Just concerned about the authorities attitude towards sound and the runway in use and the required max tailwinds etc??

"at least 50 people walked away"
 

http://www.volkskrant.nl/multimedia/...-2_144630a.jpgLocal news station Noord Holland reports that "at least 50 people walked away from the plane". Eyewitnesses report "lots of open bone fractures", "one body bag". But witnesses also say that around the broken off and 180-degree turned tail section "there are still a dozen bodies lying around."

Reports are also that most part of the plane seems to be lying with the nose away from the runway it was supposed to land on. Which is highly remarkable, given the relatively small distance to the runway.

Runway 18R (locally known as 'Polderbaan'), wind was around 210 degrees at 10 knots.

i can see why the crew didn't blow the slides!! if they had it would have taken longer to get the passengers out as the door is too close to the ground.

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