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Yes - I know the guy. Surprised really that he did it. In CX pilots converting back to the Classic do a full course including groundschool, sim and 12 sectors. Then solo. That's quite a difference.
How is such a lack of qual allowed by our (so called) regulators. |
A Summary of Lax Oversight by the DCA
We've received proof about dangerous and illegal actions at Orient Thai/One-Two-Go.
We've also receive proof, evidence and credible testimony about major failures at SkyStar Airlines and Phuket Air. If you are interested in a summary of the information provided to the FAA - all known by the DCA - see the InvestigateUdom.com Proof and Evidence page. Look for Sept 15, 2008 |
From their website, updated on the 12th Sep 08...
"September, 12, 2008 Dear Valued Passengers Due to the recent uncertainty of Thai political situation, please be informed that One Two Go scheduled services for all domestic destinations will be resumed at later date than originally plan on 15th September, 2008. Thank you for your kind understanding Regards, One-Two-Go Airlines." Anyone see those MD's moving from VTBD??? They would be needing a few engines if anything is be believed? |
Pictures of the engine-less airplanes on our petition image site.
Fuel prices, political unrest, bad weather. Udom never takes responsibility. |
Thailand's DCA Incapable of Upholding Cat 1 Rating
reprinted from InvestigateUdom.Com <<<<A Summary of the Information Provided to the FAA on Thai-based Aviation In our efforts for a proper investigation and accountability into the crash of Orient Thai’s One-Two–Go OG269, we have received documents, photographs, and crew allegations demonstrating improper behavior of various Thai airlines and of Thailand’s civil aviation authority, the DCA. The evidence and allegations make it clear that prior to, during, and after the crash of OG269, the Thai DCA knew or should have known that Thai airlines were continually compromising safety. While much of the evidence suggests outright corruption and incompetence, even taken in the best possible light, DCA oversight of Thai aviation is inexcusably lax. Information we received came from pilots and personnel working for Orient Thai Airlines, One-Two-Go Airlines, SkyStar Airways and Phuket Air. The vast majority of this information was known or could have been easily discovered by the DCA, including: 1. Airlines regularly falsify check rides. In one case, XXX informed DCA Deputy Director- General Vitichai [sometimes spelled Wittichai] of 4 fraudulent check rides taking place in December 2007. No action was taken by the DCA upon XXX’s notification. Nor was any action taken after we made the material public. The DCA finally took some action just prior to the FAA’s recent visit. No management was every censored. 2. We have very credible testimony from pilots who learn of passing sim checks they have never taken. 3. We have very credible testimony of pilots who are not qualified for the aircraft they fly. 4. The airlines regularly require their pilots to fly in excess of the maximum legal limits (110 hours a month in Thailand) and ICAO (100 hours a month) with full knowledge of the DCA. In an effort to show oversight in hindsight, the DCA recently ordered the pilots to produce historic flight summaries for the FAA. Out of fear of being the scapegoats for the excessive hours, some of the pilots refused to provide such paperwork. 5. The airlines regularly conduct maintenance malpractice. A. Severe problems that have been “squawked” (made known by the pilots to maintenance personnel) are often reported by maintenance personnel to have cleared up or been remedied, only to reappear for the flight crew. B. Inspections are frequently done on paper only. C. Heavily documented cases where improper maintenance and illegal flights nearly lead to catastrophes include: • At Orient Thai, a serious issue with a left engine thrust reverser on a 747 was ignored. One western-trained pilot resigned due to the airline’s refusal to stop flying the aircraft. The thrust reverser sleeve eventually separated from the aircraft – in mid air. The aircraft could have lost a wing but fortunately did not. • Phuket Air needed to ferry an aircraft from Saudi Arabia to Jakarta for an engine change. In order to legally fly the aircraft, the engine that required replacement needed to be deemed serviceable. Papers were signed and it was suddenly “serviceable”. Unfortunately, the engine came apart during take-off, dumping engine parts including the entire turbine for miles. The DCA had just 4 days previously audited Phuket Air’s maintenance department. [There are publicly available pictures of the separated turbine resting in the parking lot of a Saudi hotel.] • Three weeks after the first attempt to fly the Phuket Air 747, Phuket Air violated numerous crew, maintenance and civil regulations and the terms of their insurance why the flew the 3 engine 747 to Jakarta. Both flight events were highly public and the sequence of events could not reasonably have been unknown to the DCA. 6. At the time of the crash of OG269, Orient Thai had no training manuals, no safety manual and no safety program all of which must be monitored by the DCA. 7. The airlines regularly operate in violation of the Minimum Equipment List (MEL). For some airlines, the MEL is only a copy of the Master Minimum Equipment List (MMEL). Both are gross violations of ICAO standards and very unsafe. 8. At least one airline regularly flies overweight because of an inability of the staff to properly track and convert weights between metric and English systems. 9. A lack of clear boundaries between the airlines and the DCA both creates opportunities for corruption and makes it clear that the DCA is aware of Thai airline violations of safe procedures: A. The DCA runs a program in which a DCA agent works in the DCA office for 5 days a week and then flies 2 days a week with their assigned airline. The airline pays the DCA agent’s salary for the days spent at the airline. Besides conflict of interest based on the payment and responsibilities of the DCA agent, these DCA agents are themselves exceeding duty time by working 7 days a week. [A few days before the FAA’s recent trip to Thailand, the DCA altered the program to 1 flying day per week for agents.] • DCA agent Praphon is assigned to Orient Thai’s One-Two-Go fleet. As a working pilot there, Agent Praphon is aware of and complicit in the airline’s violations of ICAO and legal standards, including fraudulent and frequently non-existent training and re-currency programs, lack of required manuals and training program, and excessive flight and duty hours and maintenance fraud. 1. Proof of these frauds by Orient Thai are publicly available and have been given to the FAA. 2. Several pilots allege Agent Phraphon regularly extorts Thai First Officers to pay for prostitutes on the Chaing Mai route. B. DCA Deputy Director-General Vitichai and Orient Thai and One-Two-Go CEO Udom Tantiprasongchai are “golf buddies”. Their relationship and its particulars have led to credible allegations that the DCA overlooks Orient Thai and One-Two- Go infractions and that DCA Deputy Director-General Vitichai protects Mr. Tantiprasongchai’s interests. There are credible allegations of bribery, including allegations from witnesses to such bribery. • In one well-known incident, a scheduled 747 flight was delayed by the Flight Engineer because the landing pilot had overheated the brakes. Rather than tolerate the delay, the pilot physically removed the flight engineer’s bags from the aircraft and departed – with passengers – but without the Flight Engineer. The incident was widely known and was documented by the Flight Engineer. The DCA took no action. • DCA Deputy Director-General Vitichai admitted on camera that Orient Thai’s One-Two-Go pilots were vastly over hours in the crash of OG269. He further acknowledged that Orient Thai Airlines had provided crash investigators, including the NTSB, with fraudulent flight hour information. However, he never notified the NTSB of the fraud, even though lead investigator Jill Andrews of the NTSB ghost wrote the crash investigation report for the DCA. [In February 2008, we informed Ms. Andrews of the fraud. In May, we provided her with the true rosters. In June, Ms. Andrews completed the crash report. The DCA has not released that report.] • In February 2008, long after he had the OG269 black box information and proof of excessive flight hours, knowledge of an improper training program and lack of a safety program at Orient Thai and One-Two-Go, DCA Deputy Director-General Vitichai told the press, “No punishment will be imposed on any agency or personnel after completion of the investigation [into the crash of OG269] because the accident was beyond control.” [The immediate cause of the crash was flight crew error during a bad weather landing. One pilot appears to have been incapacitated and the other to have panicked. The root causes of the crash are shown here.] A Category 1/Acceptable rating would require the FAA to conclude that the DCA licenses and oversees air carriers in accordance with ICAO aviation safety standards. It seems reasonable to expect Thailand could only achieve a Category 1/Acceptable rating after: The DCA decertifies every airline that provided it with fraudulent information. The DCA dismisses every manager and agent who accepted such obviously fraudulent information. A newly reconstituted DCA shows an ability and willingness to competently oversee Thai civil aviation. If the FAA does not find Thailand in compliance with the ICAO standards, then the FAA must demote Thailand’s ranking to Category 2/Conditional or to Delisted/Unacceptable. It is difficult to understand how the FAA itself could be performing appropriate oversight and have provisionally concluded that the DCA performs oversight in accordance with ICAO standards.>>>> |
Christy, I'm not trying to defend Thai Orient, Udom or Thai DCA but lets get the facts straight.
In one well-known incident, a scheduled 747 flight was delayed by the Flight Engineer because the landing pilot had overheated the brakes Rather than tolerate the delay, the pilot physically removed the flight engineer’s bags from the aircraft and departed – with passengers – but without the Flight Engineer. The incident was widely known and was documented by the Flight Engineer. The DCA took no action. |
Yes - I know the guy. Surprised really that he did it. |
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Hot Dog, please...
About the 747/ or 10-11 w/o flight engineer,
...go to InvestigateUdom.com to update that information, perhaps it's a typo. If you know of this specific instance of safety infraction , please consider every bit of signed testimony helps . Thank you . Christy |
OX cargo at Hong Kong
I saw Orient Thai Cargo 747 in HKG three days ago. Does that mean they are still operating or has someone else got hold of these ragged old frames and not changed the colors yet?
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Others have mentioned an OT aircraft at HKG earlier in this thread. I guess it's possible that one of the OT fleet was out of Thailand when the rest of the fleet was grounded and has remained outside (based in HKG??) to enable it to keep flying. I would think that this would require the cost of several crews stationed at various destinations or some imaginative crew planning to be able to do this with only one aircraft :suspect:
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The DCA suspended MD80 ops only. 747 are still allowed to operate. Unbelievable, but that's how it is. Wonder if the cheating, ignoring rules, not doing proper maintenance, faking reports etc. only affected MD80s .....
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Told you so.
I am one of the people so prominently mentioned as having "failed" to have passed on safety concerns to the then management of OX.This is complete rubbish and upsets me.The complete opposite is in fact true.You cannot be effective in this situation as an employee if you have an antagonistic approach, you must use persuasion (CRM)......and hope that reason prevails.I did all I could to get them to introduce SMS, QA(OPS), etc etc etc......but was ignored so moved on.Dont shoot the messenger.
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Pirate Pete,
No one is blaming this on employees . This is criminal mismanagement by Udom and until he's at least indicted, you must understand that all the safety infractions need to see the light . Yes you were ignored now please, come forward and testify at the site ... InvestigateUdom.com I don't trust Thai DCA to do its job. Do you?? |
A B747 is based in Dhaka operating for Biman in "One-to-Go" livery.
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update
The OT UN video is no longer password protected. (It is still in Thai. See the UN video synopsis, if you don't speak Thai.)
6161 signatures on the Investigate Udom petition. Have you asked your friends, significant others, parents etc to sign? If not yet, please do. We thank you. More news soon.... |
From TravelDailyAsia.com
One Two Go to fly again T hai low-cost carrier One Two Go Airlines is expected to resume fl ights next month after passing safety audits by Thailand’s Department of Civil Aviation (DCA), the Bangkok Post reported. The airline’s founder, Udom Tantiprasongchai (pictured), confi rmed that the carrier was close to re-securing its Air Operator Certifi cate, which has been suspended since August. Meanwhile a senior DCA offi cial said that One Two Go had only a few points in its fl ight operation manual to be adjusted, a process which is likely to be completed by 20 October. |
Has everyone seen this?
It's the order from Orient Thai COO Cho Ting Tsang to the flight scheduler - and copying Udom Tantiprasongchai - giving detailed instructions for the falsification of the flight rosters and requesting falsification of the log books after the crash of OG269 on Sept 16, 2007.
InvestigateUdom.com proof and evidence link Look for Oct 8, 2008 (at the bottom). Udom is not in jail. Udom continues to run the airline. Now that this email has been made public, Udom and the DCA are sure to cut Cho loose. (Where we expect he will face charges in the US.) Look here on the InvestigateUdom.smugmug.com, our video and picture site. There you can see DCA Deputy General Vitichai admiting he had receieved fraudulent rosters from Orient Thai back in October, 2007. Vitichai still works for the DCA and in fact leads the crash *investigation*. [ha ha] Udom still owns and runs Orient Thai/One-Two/Go. Oversight? Safety? Professionalism? Competance? Care or Concern for human life? Legal? No. No. No. No. No. No. More soon. |
Just read that latest email re falsifying the records- it's truly shocking! Why aren't these clowns in jail?
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Having read the email on Bonnie's website I'm just wondering: has the email along with source information (email headers, witness testimony as to how it was extracted etc) been provided to the relevant [law enforcement] authorities? I'm assuming that the headers and other information needed to authenticate the origins of the email is available and preserved somewhere.
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Are there credible authorities in Thailand?
Are there a credible authorities in Thailand?
I ask the question seriously. Names and contact information appreciated. |
Time for protests
I.U.,
No I do not think there are credible authorities in T land.... The ONLY way to change things is for outside pressure, If the US FAA is failing to accurately rate Thai aviation then there is a last resort. Protests I posted this before and it was removed, perhaps Mod will allow re post. The day that 1-2 Go resumes flying to HKT I will protest at the airport at time of its landing . It would be nice to have some company , or others at Bangkok or Chang Mai airports. Fly Thai..and Die !! or One-Two...Die !! |
Letter Ed. Printed
Well, At least The Nation printed my letter...As did the Phukette Gazette
Sometimes wishing for the Stars gets you the Moon. If we call for arrest and prosecution of Thai DCA Officials.. maybe they'll roll on Udom..Maybe Have to admit after watching Air Crash Investigation last night on the Alaskan Air deliberate mismanagement on maintenance causing the crash in 2000 , not greasing the screw in the tail controlling flight surfaces - no arrests were made then , either. Is the US FAA corrupt or just incompetent, too? Bangkok's Independent Newspaper <<<<<<Aviation authorities negligent in restoring licences I am in utter disbelief that the Thai aviation authorities are even considering the return of One-Two Go/Orient-Thai's operating certificates after grounding the airline, following the Phuket disaster, for disregarding safety regulations. The airline's executives should be arrested and indicted for the murder of those passengers. And perhaps the head of the Thai aviation authorities, too. Tourists beware: none of these censures would have come about had it not been for an American woman exposing mismanagement and oversight that the Thai authorities could no longer ignore. I urge anyone who may be flying within Thailand to read (at www.InvestigateUdom.com) the astounding list of accusations about the authorities' apparent inability to properly regulate the airline industry. The US FAA is being lobbied aggressively to downgrade Thailand's safety rating. Failing that, the US congress will be petitioned to stop funding the FAA rating programme as an utter waste of taxpayers' money. CHRISTY K SWEET >>>>>> |
Still Grounded
From today's Bangkok Post
And of course, the whitewash brush is out again. The foreign devils are the cause of all problems. Mr Wuthichai said the department wants Thai executives to take over the management of One-Two-Go. He argued foreign managers who were running the airline were so obsessed with making profits that they arranged schedules which prevented pilots taking refresher training or resting sufficiently between flights. This attitude was definitely a threat to the safety of pasengers. Foreign executives were only interested in making maximum profit without being concerned with the improvement of pilot efficiency, he said. He expected Thai managers would emphasise quality standards, understand Thai corporate culture and promote Thai-style services. It also demanded Thais make up at least 40% of the airlines' pilots. If One-Two-Go passes its re-evaluation on Monday, the public can be confident of the safety of its services, he said, adding the department applied strict controls on all airlines operating in Thailand...The department attributed the tragedy to a problem in cooperation between foreign and Thai pilots. |
Orient Thai flying the MD-80s without AOC?
Credible reports that Orient Thai is flying the One-Two-Go MD-80s while the AOC is still revoked, while using an Orient Thai call sign. (BKK is showing the departures as 747s.)
If you've seen this or have a picture or log of such an event, please contact [email protected]. My sincerest thanks. |
One of their MDs was at HKG yesterday. No idea of the callsign or flight number.
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All those calling for Udom's airlines to be permanently grounded are pi**ing into a typhoon...it will do little good.
The fix is in....unless of course another deadly crash occurs. Then....maybe. |
OG MD-82 test fligh test at DMK
MD-82 HS-OMH has been reported as test flying at Don Muang during September.
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Test flights don't take passengers to and from HKG.
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Flying the MD's to HKG
As far as I know none of the MDs are fitted with life rafts only inflatable slides so it would be illegal to by flying them to HKG.
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As far as I know none of the MDs are fitted with life rafts only inflatable slides so it would be illegal to by flying them to HKG. |
Forget the life rafts.
Flying for any reason without a AOC or suspended AOC is not allowed anywhere. How did they even get a flight plan for this???? You are all barking up the wrong tree here. This is not even allowed in Darkest Africa. If this is true someone should notify the insurance company, sure they would want to hear this. And what idiots operated this flight knowing this! |
I think you may be over reacting a little bit Earl....
Just because one of their a/c was up in HKG does not mean they are flying without an AOC etc.. It could be on lease, test flight, been sold, ferry flight etc etc etc ... |
True, could have been sold.
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These are Orient Thai commercial flights that are substituting the use of the MD80s for the 747s.
Udom's still in charge. (Since we made Cho's letter public, he's been fired.) |
Cho whereabouts
I thought I'd read Cho is American.. Is he in Thailand or America?
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These are Orient Thai commercial flights that are substituting the use of the MD80s for the 747s |
FrequentSLF
There you are - up front - left hand seat - taxiing out and behind you is an MD80 in 1-2-Go livery but responding to ATC with an Orient Thai callsign.
What do you think? - really? - What do you actually make of that? - Sheesh!! |
There you are - up front - left hand seat - taxiing out and behind you is an MD80 in 1-2-Go livery but responding to ATC with an Orient Thai callsign. What do you think? - really? - What do you actually make of that? - Sheesh!! I seen various reasons why the aircraft was there (as posted by anartificialhorizon). And I repeat my question "it has been proven?". I can hardly believe that HKG will let a flight take off o land with out AOC... that's why I am asking...but seems that raising questions on this thread is not allowed |
It's irrelevant. Orient Thai - including but not limited to One-Two-Go - had the AOC revoked for the MD-80s. See the DCA order. Neither Orient Thai nor One-Two-Go can legally fly those airplanes.
I'll make two quick forecasts here:
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