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U.K. NATS Systems Failure
U.K. NATS down, Major system failure.
Major disruption to both incoming and departing flights. https://news.sky.com/story/network-w...ports-12949638 'Network-wide failure of UK air traffic control systems', Loganair reports There has been a 'network-wide failure of UK air traffic control systems', according to the airline Loganair. Sky News has had reports of passengers on other airlines outside of the UK being told that the air traffic control network is down and their flight will be delayed. NATS, the national air traffic controllers, said in a statement: "We are currently experiencing a technical issue and have applied traffic flow restrictions to maintain safety. Engineers are working to find and the fix the fault. "We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause." |
Hilarious…another example of the UK’s crumbling infrastructure. Don’t we build resilience in anymore?
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12+ hour slot delays in some cases.
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28/08/2023 11:12z
United Kingdom is experiencing a Flight Data Processing System failure. Scottish and London FIRs are regulated at low rates with very high individual delays. Currently there is no indication of when a solution for the failure will be available so no improvements for flights entering UK airspace are forseen in the near future. Further information will be published when available. NMOC Brussels |
Hacked?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66637156 Mind you - doesn't exactly look quiet ... https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a8cc4526dd.jpg |
Yes, but flights will continue to destination if they're already airborne. Others won't be able to depart. Shouldn't it thin out over the next few hours?
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From Eurocontrol public portal at 1112 UTC..
United Kingdom is experiencing a Flight Data Processing System failure. Scottish and London FIRs are regulated at low rates with very high individual delays. Currently there is no indication of when a solution for the failure will be available so no improvements for flights entering UK airspace are forseen in the near future. Further information will be published when available. |
Originally Posted by hunterboy
(Post 11492823)
Hilarious…another example of the UK’s crumbling infrastructure. Don’t we build resilience in anymore?
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Is this possibly Russian Hacking after Ukrainian drones caused delays at Moscow’s airports ?
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Originally Posted by RetiredBA/BY
(Post 11492871)
Is this possibly Russian Hacking after Ukrainian drones caused delays at Moscow’s airports ?
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I for one am glad I’m not flying today, inbound on an RCF flight plan.
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Originally Posted by hobbit1983
(Post 11492873)
I doubt it
Cant remember such a serious system crash in my 25 years of civil flying, not counting French mischief ! |
Here in Jersey we are starting to see transatlantic westbound routing over us, which don’t usually come this way. So far, there have been at least 4 KLM EHAM departures overhead plus a Brussels A/L Washington flight. This almost never happens, even when NAT tracks are a bit southerly. Also apparent are German transatlantic, although this is fairly common with southerly tracks. Looks like we’ll see a lot of different a/c this afternoon & evening. Although, “see” is not quite accurate - as it is quite cloudy at the moment.
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Originally Posted by RetiredBA/BY
(Post 11492889)
Really? Seems too much of a coincidence that this has happened on one of the busiest days of the year, aviation wise.
Cant remember such a serious system crash in my 25 years of civil flying, not counting French mischief ! |
CFMU NOP now recommending operators consider cancelling flights from EG and EI airports to EU.
Merry Christmas 😬 |
Originally Posted by bubbs
(Post 11492908)
CFMU NOP now recommending operators consider cancelling flights from EG and EI airports to EU.
Merry Christmas 😬 |
Originally Posted by bubbs
(Post 11492908)
CFMU NOP now recommending operators consider cancelling flights from EG and EI airports to EU.
Merry Christmas 😬 Network Operations Portal. |
Originally Posted by RetiredBA/BY
(Post 11492889)
Really? Seems too much of a coincidence that this has happened on one of the busiest days of the year, aviation wise.
Cant remember such a serious system crash in my 25 years of civil flying, not counting French mischief ! |
Originally Posted by drazziweht
(Post 11492921)
Do you not remember Dec 12 2014 ?
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Originally Posted by MissChief
(Post 11492912)
CFMU? NOP?
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Originally Posted by Denti
(Post 11492923)
Everyone in the business should know those acronyms, CFMU is the central flow management unit, NOP is the network operations portal, which you can access here.
NMOC since about 2012 (I think). |
Roma ACC experiencing high delays due to FDP failure also.
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From the look of it so far, between the diversions and the cancellations, there are hundreds of aircraft which are going to be at the wrong place tomorrow when this is over, it will takes days to recover. These outages show how tight the whole system is. a single computer ( most likely software) failure anywhere and the whole network is in shambles, in just a few hours we reached over 1 million minutes delay already :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
(Post 11492916)
Not been CFMU for years!
Network Operations Portal. We are now looking at crew duty times running out & aircraft out of position, getting ugly. |
Was talking to an ex controller Saturday who is writing a masters thesis on the previous two major shutdown..Jesus the systems and back ups are so complicated my brain gave up trying to understand it. The data links, no paper strips, looking at radar returns without secondary idents and you just can’t phone the bloke on the next sector.
Gone are the days of wacking a TV and wiggling the aerial. Best of luck. |
NATS have announced that the fault has been identified and rectified.
The delays and knock-on effects will, of course, take several delays to sort out. |
It is a 'rumour network' so my guesses are:
1. Software update which hasn't gone through the agreed change control process, or 2. Third party hosting provider outage, or 3. Hardware issue at a 'single point of failure', or 4. Undetected software bug. All mitigatable given adequate resources. |
From NMOC
Message from NATS regarding FPDS situation. We are continuing to monitor the situation and improve this where possible. London and Scottish are in a recovery process. Sector regulations at reduced rates are applied. However High delays continue during this period. EGLL Arrivals is now available at a reduced rate. Customers are requested to continue keeping EOBTs and flight plans up-to-date. No further ATICCC customer teleconferences are planned. If you have any issues with individual flights please contact the UK Airspace and Capacity Management (ACM) team as normal. We apologise for the impact of this technical failure to your operation and passengers. A thorough investigation is underway and we will update customers as soon as it has been completed. NMOC Brussels on behalf of NATS |
Maybe someone tripped over a cable?
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Easyjet have apparently cancelled all UK outbound departures for the rest of the day as per an ACARS message to all aircraft at 1450Z
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Originally Posted by piper mohawk
(Post 11492957)
It is a 'rumour network' so my guesses are:
1. Software update which hasn't gone through the agreed change control process, or 2. Third party hosting provider outage, or 3. Hardware issue at a 'single point of failure', or 4. Undetected software bug. All mitigatable given adequate resources. NATS went over to electronic flight progress strips some years ago (about 2014 I think) however they do have paper strips as backup. |
More ATSA/ATCA's required obviously!!
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Sorry Flying Wild an easyJet left Luton at 1640 enroute to Palma.
Two words sum up this situation - broken Britain. |
147 departure cancellations from LGW (so far) and rising. My sympathies to my former colleagues...
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I'm sure that, despite the details given in the link, the old LATCC IBM9020 is in a lock-up in West London, and could be fired up..... :-)
https://atchistory.files.wordpress.c...20-goodbye.pdf |
=Ah, the good old 9020. Even that used to go down, at times. I remember (I think it was on a Wednesday) having to revert to “manual” & write out all the Flt. Progress Strips by hand. Don’t think that it caused too many delays, though !
Just ATCOs trying to decipher what was written on them ! Incidentally, my son’s first flight on the A380 today. Chose a good day to start ! |
Originally Posted by compton3bravo
(Post 11493000)
Two words sum up this situation - broken Britain.
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
(Post 11493000)
Sorry Flying Wild an easyJet left Luton at 1640 enroute to Palma.
Two words sum up this situation - broken Britain. |
Originally Posted by Flying Wild
(Post 11493041)
Should have clarified. The message related to Easy UK AOC aircraft. Was the LTN-PMI a G-reg?
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