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ILS27LEFT 23rd Nov 2020 13:59

British Airways Boeing 747 caught fire at Castellon Airport, Spain
 
BREAKING A British Airways Boeing 747 caught fire at Castellon Airport, Spain

Somebody forgot a mobile on charge?

lomapaseo 23rd Nov 2020 15:27

Do they fly the route with a B747 or is it a diversion?

dns 23rd Nov 2020 15:36

Being stored, all the BA jumbos have been retired

BRISTOLRE 23rd Nov 2020 15:44

Its CIVD
looks like a fire in cockpit roof above cockpit windows
these two havent been broken yet, engines still on them
videos and clips are around on the net

gas path 23rd Nov 2020 16:10

Allegedly someone hacked into an oxygen pipe!

Nil by mouth 23rd Nov 2020 16:19

Here's a video link


TURIN 23rd Nov 2020 16:47

I wonder what was the source of ignition. Someone having a crafty fag while they work or was there any grease around?

Sad sight though. An iconic image for 2020.

ATC Watcher 23rd Nov 2020 18:06

Reminds me of a similar incident on a brand new A340 in Paris during maintenance in the early 1990's . Someone pulled out some boxes caused an electrical short circuit, resulting in a fire, the guy was alone , by the time time he ran out to get help and a fire extinguisher, the fire was too large to be put out. the aircraft was completely destroyed in the end if I remember. **** happens .
On another matter , the dense back smoke and the duration of the fire show how retardant the materials around the cockpit are in reality :rolleyes:

LessThanSte 23rd Nov 2020 18:17


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10933088)
On another matter , the dense back smoke and the duration of the fire show how retardant the materials around the cockpit are in reality :rolleyes:

I thought so too - are they really that flammable? That looks like a fairly intense fire (or smoky, anyway!), and something that would cause absolute havoc in the air. Or would an onboard fire extinguisher put that out in no time in flight?

Hueymeister 23rd Nov 2020 18:30

Apparently the reg is G-CVID....sounds too good to be true....!

dns 23rd Nov 2020 18:33

The BCF extinguishers onboard are VERY effective, using more than one on any onboard fire is very rare.

In a flight situation I doubt this sort of thing would have got beyond the smell of burning and a bit of smoke. The pilots would have got straight on to the oxygen masks and PA'd the cabin crew to get in their immediately to run through their drills.


tdracer 23rd Nov 2020 18:38


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10933088)
On another matter , the dense back smoke and the duration of the fire show how retardant the materials around the cockpit are in reality :rolleyes:

If - as gas path posted - it's being fed by an O2 pipe, just about anything will burn...

dns 23rd Nov 2020 18:41

Interesting... I'd have thought it would have made sense to drain the oxygen systems for storage, but maybe there's a reason not to

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wub 23rd Nov 2020 18:43


Originally Posted by Hueymeister (Post 10933107)
Apparently the reg is G-CVID....sounds too good to be true....!

The reg is G-CIVD

atakacs 23rd Nov 2020 18:46

Are those in storage or being dismantled?

Nil by mouth 23rd Nov 2020 18:51

Quoting from the same source of that video I posted:-

An unused two-story, fifteen-metre-high Boeing 747 aircraft had been parked at the airport on the Mediterranean coast of Spain waiting to be scrapped when the fire broke out.

dns 23rd Nov 2020 18:53

It's being scrapped, apparently the process hasn't started yet

TitanCadetScheme 23rd Nov 2020 19:03

It has now.

DuncanDoenitz 23rd Nov 2020 19:41

https://www.pprune.org/spectators-ba...lus-stock.html

I think we can scratch Lot 169.

TURIN 23rd Nov 2020 20:21

Makes You wonder who is doing the dismantling and for how much.

ivor toolbox 23rd Nov 2020 21:18

TURIN

E Cube has been mentioned elsewhere.

OvertHawk 23rd Nov 2020 21:46

However.

in hindsight i admit that referring to something which people have cared for for a long time as "some hulk" was insensitive. for that I apologise. I myself have seen airframes that i've flown and cared for end up in similar circumstances and it is not easy.

But my point remains the same - I don't want people putting themselves in harms way to protect something that is going to be turned into scrap anyway.

DaveReidUK 23rd Nov 2020 22:17

Having watched, along with my colleagues, aircraft which one has worked on, or flown, only a few weeks/months/years previously now being torn apart with the help of a JCB, I can vouch for the fact that it's a valuable lesson in Airline Economics 101. :O

old,not bold 24th Nov 2020 09:13

It's quite reminiscent of the DHL fire at San Francisco in 2008.

Here's an extract;


"the initiation of the fire could be traced to internal ignition of a pvc oxygen supply hose in the crew compartment."

SID PLATE 24th Nov 2020 14:07


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10933031)
I wonder what was the source of ignition. Someone having a crafty fag while they work or was there any grease around?

Sad sight though. An iconic image for 2020.

Crafty fag ?
There's a smoke removal vent on the top of the forward fuselage, operated by a T handle on the overhead panel. When BA got round to banning smoking on the flight deck, transgressions were occasionally reported to management by the cabin crew, which could result in a formal carpeting and a loss of seniority for the transgressor. Die hard tab hounds used to crack the smoke vent in flight, and wedge the T handle with a ten pence piece, so that any cigarette smoke on the flight deck went out of the vent, and didn't filter back to the forward galley.
In the olden days, a few Flight Engineers smoked pipes or cigars on the 747 100's and 200's. If you turned round in your seat to speak to them, you couldn't see them, but you knew they were there.

dns 24th Nov 2020 15:02

Did the -400 have that vent? I thought it was just the classics...

Heard a great story once about a flight engineer who got fed up with the dust and crumbs being left on the consoles. He bought a length of plastic tube and would attach it to the smoke vent so he could use it as a hoover!

eckhard 24th Nov 2020 15:29


Did the -400 have that vent? I thought it was just the classics...
My understanding is that it was originally the tube for mounting the sextant on the early models and it was “repurposed” as a smoke vent.


Die hard tab hounds used to crack the smoke vent in flight, and wedge the T handle with a ten pence piece, so that any cigarette smoke on the flight deck went out of the vent, and didn't filter back to the forward galley.
I remember a particular Captain on a Gatwick-Houston trip in 1998 doing almost exactly that! The only difference was that he used a £1 coin. Typical BA Captain; I’m surprised he didn’t use a £50 note to light up........

Shackman 24th Nov 2020 15:31


Heard a great story once about a flight engineer who got fed up with the dust and crumbs being left on the consoles. He bought a length of plastic tube and would attach it to the smoke vent so he could use it as a hoover!
That's so old - we used all sorts of holes in the (unpressurised) Shack to hoover up rubbish, as taught to FE's and others from their predecessors on aircraft going back to before WWII.

TheWestCoast 24th Nov 2020 17:57

Isn't the practice of painting over airline livery on retired planes done to prevent this kind of negative imagery getting into the public domain - in this case, smoke belching from a cockpit next to BA logos?

DaveReidUK 24th Nov 2020 19:07


Originally Posted by TheWestCoast (Post 10933931)
Isn't the practice of painting over airline livery on retired planes done to prevent this kind of negative imagery getting into the public domain - in this case, smoke belching from a cockpit next to BA logos?

It's a long time since BA worried about such niceties.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d639f5d61d.jpg

dixi188 24th Nov 2020 20:38

Mid '70s a BA One-Eleven landed at Hurn without the nose gear extended. Soon after everyone was off a BA van appeared and a man painted out the name, filmed by local TV crew. Then a crane came along to lift the nose and remove the aircraft from the runway.

MAC 40612 24th Nov 2020 23:02

Castellon as a location is relatively new to the aircraft scrapping business, one of a number of newer locations that have appeared in recent times to deal with the upsurge of withdrawn airliners. BA had only just started using that location, with in the past BA using Victorville [USA] Kemble and Newquay [England] St Athan [Wales] and Teruel [Spain]

The oxygen system should [hopefully] have been turned off at the bottles but maybe someone missed the two crew bottles that are in a different location to all the passenger bottles or forgot to depressurise the crew system?

Pilot DAR 24th Nov 2020 23:16

A bit of thread drift, but should I ask why a British Airways 737 has a "5Y" registration?

TWT 24th Nov 2020 23:41

BA franchise in Kenya with Regional Air

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Air_(Kenya)

Similar deal in South Africa (Comair)

student88 25th Nov 2020 13:07

TheWestCoast

Until recently, eCube at St Athan were painting out the BA livery on the 747s. The same company are also doing the dismantling at this location in Spain and were harvesting G-CIVD at the time of the incident.

Lew747 26th Nov 2020 06:46

More footage including the interior...

procede 26th Nov 2020 11:28

I'm surprised the engines are still under the wing.

MAC 40612 26th Nov 2020 13:11

Why are you surprised about the engines? All the BA 747s had quite high hours engines and there isn't a massive market for RB211s, in fact most of the BA RB211s being sold are not even going to the aviation industry.

procede 26th Nov 2020 13:44

I would think there are still quite a few spare parts and valuable materials for recycling in them and they are fairly easy to take apart.

Check Airman 26th Nov 2020 18:46

MAC 40612

Where are they going?


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