Why, do you have some special insight into what the crew ate and drank that day that nobody else does?? (they are not required to fast due to their occupation, although some obviously still do)

Plenty of people have crashed aircraft in a stupid way whilst fully fed and watered...

Is ignoring ATC a common thing?
 

(SLF) After reading through this thread I haven't seen an answer to this question I am having: is it a common thing for the PIC to simply ignore a given vector by ATC and bluntly answer that they are fine and won't comply?

There would have to be justification to decline an ATC instruction. In this case the aircraft had established on the ILS (albeit grossly not stable) and the Captain was ‘comfortable’ with the situation, despite the circumstances which tragically unfolded.

There is a PIA website where at least one post refers to both pilots fasting. Shouldn't be too hard to find. My detailed information or research indicating the reasons why "cultural" matters could have contributed to this accident were removed by the moderator, apparently under "moderator discretion" rather than specific posting rules.
It would be an improvement if posters would avoid an attempt at political correctness re dehydration.

It's not what I want. It is what the NTSB detailed docket provides for accidents under their jurisdiction. Very full disclosure and transparency.

Regarding Fasting, that has been the case for Muslim air crew for many/many years with no reported problems. Why would this one be different?

Because it crashed.

Discussed at length earlier in the thread.

Like everything else. Including the observation that everything was discussed earlier in the thread.

As previously mentioned wait for 22 June ~ Interim Report to be published

Though it's worth mentioning, in this general context, that anyone can read the detailed and complete CVR transcript from AF447 many times over, in French or in good translation, and while you can be sure what happened, why it happened will forever remain baffling.

I know that !! But if I were an ATC controller watching a supposedly routine flight flaring gear up afew feet above the runway, I couldn't help yelling on the radio in order to warn the crew of the situation. "XXXX Go around !!" could be the first sentence coming into my mind. It would be a reflex and meanwhile I wouldn't think about the rules and the lawyers. Time for that later.

OK. Makes sense. This fact is in my opinion a satisfying reply to my earlier question. ;)

Do we know that the gear were up during the approach? Or did they transit up owing to a botched GA process?

Report will (should) tell but it seems to me that TWR's inaction is unlikely to play a significant part in probable cause

I am a bit puzzled how that squares with a non-compliance report made by ATC controller, and formal notice sent to PIA regarding. https://www.aviation-accidents.net/w...ht-pk8303-.pdf

This is where it gets difficult.
If you were watching a take off, and you saw flames coming from an engine, you would probably tempted to shout "Stop!".

No Gear, go round would perhaps be a better call. Less likely focussed pilot would ignore the interfering ATC person!

Must have been up at least during flare, since the aircraft made a "scrape and go" on its engines. But true, one has to impatiently wait for a reliable report..

I suppose I'd reply "no". :)Flames coming from an engine is what I'd call "a routine sequence in the sims".;) Furthermore I know how much a rejected take-off is such a marginal maneuver.. But here, were one guy watching an apparently perfect shaped airliner flaring gear up, it would be a far more marginal matter than "simply" an engine belching flames..

But anyway I'm not an ATC controller, and beeing closer to retirement than to CPL-IR course, I've no plans to start a new career..:rolleyes:

One of those grey areas where the ultimate decision rests with the pilot, notwithstanding that the approach radar controller knew through experience that the profile was decidedly “iffy”.
The other question is whether a report (MOR?) would have been raised had the tragic events not have occurred?

With the benefit of hindsight approach radar controller should have notified the aerodrome controller that is was decidedly “iffy”
and instructed a Go-Around.
Was he transferred to tower frequency?

A time that you are required to do as you are told might be, for example : “I am instructed by Her Majesty Government to refuse you entry into United Kingdom Airspace. What are your intentions?
Failure to comply would be followed by a QRA by air defence.........
There may well be others......yet to be pointed out