Not my statement, 73qanda, it is from fab777 who was simply providing a link to B737.org.

You're the second poster who has lept in before reading the post carefully and mistaking the authorship of the info on SFP.

Please read the post before characterizing another contributor's writing as "inaccurate". Make sure you're addressing the correct author, otherwise you're doing exactly what you have accused another of doing.

In my post, here, I said: Thank you.
PJ2

You’re dead right PJ2.
Sorry about that.
I’ll have a self-enforced break I think.
Cheers.

Dave's graph with glideslope added.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....535d6ed27f.png

Thanks for that, most enightening. So, never established in a stable approach and in stark contrast to the professionalism we witnessed yesterday, it was press on itis.

Case closed. Neat analysis on solid, fully verified data. Great.

Well I wouldn't go quite that far.

Oh, I see what you mean ...

Good. And it wasn´t aimed at you at all.

In the light of about 9 coherent datapoints at 1000' AFE marked within the 2.0-2.2 NM range, and the continuation to land by the crew from there, perhaps we can cut some slack to a fast typing poster. Although from an HF viewpoint the two situations actually don't link together.

The -800 can take a lot of beating before being pushed into the over-run. .



Yes, I've been wrong about ADS-B readings in the LGW / Pence overrun. Those were false zeroes taken at face value, though.

..and 50' added to TDZ...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3c50833cf9.jpg

The folks at Gatwick kept that quiet. :O

A fair point & perhaps poorly expressed, but:If I were an insurer, or more to the point, potential PAX, then I would look at the record and worry that there was a cultural probllem in this company. If it walks like a duck.....
Let's hope I am proven wrong.

FYI Pegasus, along with Futura in Spain were both set up with alot of assistance and IIRC £££ from Aer Lingus.........

the SFP package always makes my landings look bad when the spoilers pop up and a greaser becomes a “ass fell out of it” landing. Then I remember I’m in a -800.

ive flown with astronauts from boff these “airlines”. The Thpanith are “special”. Adios amigos. They all promoted themselves to check airmen and Capitanos at RwandAir. They took away commuting from non Spanish pilots, came back from their commuting with nonsense instructor certificates and promoted themselves without shame. They were chased home, sometimes under threat of incarceration and diplomatic action. Ricardo Naval and Arturo Medina come to mind. Putos. The screaming, slapping Man fight in the arrivals hall of Kigali international airport, at bourbon coffee whilst in uniform was spectacular.

Interesting background, thanks. Sadly the more capable & reliable aircraft become the more the ill informed or greedy set up operations only paying lip service to the regulations; and so I suspect cavalier attitudes and corruption will find its way into this industry as it has in so many thers.

SFP OPTION:

• A reduced idle thrust transition delay

between approach- and ground-idle speeds, which improves stopping distances and in- creases field-length-limited landing weight.

• Increased flight-spoiler deflection from 30 degrees to 60 degrees, which aids brake performance when landing.

• A two-position tailskid at the rear of the aircraft. The tailskid protects longer- bodied 737-800s and -900ERs against inad- vertent tailstrikes during landing, which al- lows higher aircraft approach attitudes and lower landing speeds.

It wouldn't have mattered if they had parachutes!, they die was cast once they decided to land.. or rather didn't elect for a missed approach like the preceding 2 aircraft.

We had this cultural problem in Air France, leading to 2000/2009 period and series of accidents.
Things were under control till recently, seems arrogance and negligence are back ...

Exactly, you could’ve thrown the anchor of the QE2 from the back, you’d still be hoping for the best. Arguing for or against the stopping capabilities of a SFP vs a conventional-800 is totally pointless. The rules of flying and the basis of notecs seem to have been well and truly bypassed on this one. If the facts behind this overrun are as they have been presented then it’s very sad to see the apparent risks that people are prepared to take.

Reading that for the first time within the context of the recent Max accidents is sobering to say the least. It's no wonder that Boeing and the NTSB are circling the wagons in response to renewed Dutch interest.

it’s the best when FO’s are heads down, on approach, calling out the wind component and parroting the radar altimeter.