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fox niner 4th Dec 2019 21:44

Cargo Jet makes a 360 at 100

well....surely looks amazing. Mogadishu is unsafe (never been there) but so is this.

what next 4th Dec 2019 22:19

Originally Posted by fox niner (Post 10632660)
Mogadishu is unsafe (never been there) but so is this.

What's more unsafe: Flying 50+ year old cargo planes or flying circles at 100ft?

OldnGrounded 4th Dec 2019 23:05

Originally Posted by what next (Post 10632674)
What's more unsafe: Flying 50+ year old cargo planes or flying circles at 100ft?

Maybe flying circles at 100' in a 50-yr-old airplane . . . over Mogadishu?

Is there a link somewhere? What am I missing?

Airbubba 4th Dec 2019 23:24

As an airline pilot supposedly announced to the pax while taxiing past a burning cargo plane at Denver 'Don't worry folks, it's just a freighter!'

jack11111 4th Dec 2019 23:29

Your less of a target doing 360 offshore, than missed approach over a surface-to-air missile detail off departure end of runway.

I'm guessing that's not this captain's first low level 360.

gearlever 4th Dec 2019 23:43

Cool Skipper, no belt.
When did this happen?
I mean there are not so many 727s still flying.

macdo 4th Dec 2019 23:50

Fair play to the guy, he came out of the 360 still with the RadAlt saying 100'! Mind you I remember a Skip that got retired for doing a 360 going into HER at 200'. The FO was most put out!

Mister Geezer 4th Dec 2019 23:53

Reminds me of a story when I was contacted several years ago about a contract flying a 146 daily into Mogadishu when it was more dangerous than it is today. The profile would be a steep teardrop out to sea and only at night and then fly in at no more than a couple of hundred feet on the rad alt, as being low off shore was deemed to be the best mitigation strategy to any nasties being fired from the shore. All the exterior lights would have been off until 'over the fence' when the landing lights would have been switched on. I can therefore understand why such low level flying at Mogadishu may be deemed safer than a more conventional profile, as hinted by jack11111 in his post.

gearlever 4th Dec 2019 23:58

Too long ago, so I'm asking.
Are the two green lights on the FE panel the wing anti ice valves/lights?


Gauges and Dials 5th Dec 2019 00:12

Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 10632719)
Too long ago, so I'm asking.
Are the two green lights on the FE panel the wing anti ice valves/lights?


The green lights indicate the Chemtrail discharge valves open.

Airbubba 5th Dec 2019 00:12

Some history of the aircraft from a Facebook page:

BRANIFF STILL FLYING TODAY BOEING 727-227 N446BN - Braniff International Boeing 727-227 Advanced registered as N446BN is taxiing at Denver Stapleton International Airport on May 9, 1982 (Photo 1). The big Boeing Trijet is painted in the 1971 Glenn Geddis/Harper and George Green over Olive Green Two Tone Color Scheme. This aircraft played a historic role in the relaunch of Braniff Airways successor Braniff, Inc., in March 1984. This aircraft was the 46th 727-200 delivered and the 40th Series -227 to enter Braniff's fleet.

Ship N446BN was also the sixth Series -227 Advanced jetliner of eight delivered to Braniff during 1976, beginning on April 22, 1976, with Ship N441BN and the eighth delivered was N448BN on October 28, 1976. N446BN first flew at Boeing Renton, Washington, plant on July 22, 1976, and was delivered to Braniff at the Dallas Love Field Base on July 27, 1976. The aircraft was delivered in the 1971 Green over Olive Green Two Tone Color Scheme and would remain in that color scheme until retirement from Braniff International (Photo 2: At IAH Jun 30 1979).

The aircraft flew for Braniff for six years before being retired and then stored at Dallas/Ft Worth Regional Airport on May 12, 1982, when the carrier ceased operations. A trustee and trust was set up to represent certain of Braniff's secured creditors called the BRNF Liquidating Trust and N446BN was placed in this trust by June 1982.

In the Fall of 1983 a reorganization plan for Braniff Airways and its parent company Braniff International Corporation, was approved by the carrier's unions and creditors and on December 15, 1983, both companies were succeeded by Dalfort Corporation, which became the sole owner of the newly formed Braniff, Inc., a new airline that operated out of DFW Airport, Texas, to 18 major metropolitan cities in the United States.

On December 15, 1983, thirty former Braniff Airways 727-200 Trijet aircraft were leased to Braniff, Inc. Ship N446BN was the first on the list of thirty that included successive tail numbers through N472BN which were all -227 Advanced aircraft. The other three aircraft were 727-291s registered as N406BN and N408BN, the second former Calder painted jetliner, and 727-214 registered as N409BN.

Ship N446BN and the other leased 727s were all painted in the new color scheme designed by Boeing designer Bob Perlman. The new scheme featured a White upper fuselage and Midnight Blue lower fuselage with Dark Red Braniff Block lettering under the window line behind the front cabin doors and a similar but smaller script going up the rear of the tail. A Platinum Silver cheat line separated the White and Blue sections of the fuselage.

On March 1, 1984, the new Braniff, Inc., was launched, amidst much fanfare, at Dallas/Ft Worth Regional Airport. This was the largest single day launch of a new airline in the history of aviation, which succeeded Braniff Airways' record launch of new service six year earlier on December 15, 1978. After a special ribbon cutting ceremony at The Braniff Terminal 2W Gate 13A at DFW the first flight of the new Braniff, Inc., Flight 200 departed for New Orleans, Louisiana, at 650AM using Boeing 727-227 registered as N446BN. Braniff's strategy of providing high frequency flights targeted at the business traveler flying at the upper end of the highest of Coach fares proved to be unsuccessful and within six months the airline completely overhauled its strategy.

Braniff returned ten Boeing 727 aircraft to the BRNF Liquidating Trust including N446BN on February 19, 1985, and reinvented itself as a strictly low-fare DFW hub operator with a highly reduced schedule. In May 1985, the aircraft was sold to Houston-based Continental Airlines along with N447BN through N452BN. Continental painted the aircraft in their color scheme but retained the N446BN registration number for nearly two years.

On October 22, 1987, the aircraft was registered as N73751 and remained in service with Continental until 1999 (Photo 3: At PHX Feb 26 1996). The aircraft was sold to First State Bank of Utah in 1987, and leased back to Continental and then sold to First Security Bank on February 8, 1999. The aircraft was then converted to a freighter configuration in July 1999.

Finova Capital Corporation purchased N446BN on March 28, 2000, and 18 months later on September 19, 2001, the big Boeing Trijet was withdrawn from use at Phoenix Goodyear Airport, and was then stored. Finova and its parent company filed for bankruptcy during 2001, and N446BN was sold to Express.net Airlines in February 2004. The aircraft then entered service with Express.net, a cargo carrier based in Naples, Florida (Photo 4: At FLL Nov 22, 2005). The carrier was founded as Transcontinental Airlines in 1972, but ceased operations in 2008. N446BN was stored until a new owner could be found.

N446BN was sold to Outsourcing for Africa, a well know charter airline that provided short term leasing and contracts. The carrier changed its name to Africa Charter Airlines and purchased N446BN on August 5, 2009. The aircraft was reregistered as ZS-IAC and leased out to Safair and twice to Imperial Air Cargo (Photo 5: At CPT Nov 30, 2010). On January 19, 2010, the aircraft, operating for Africa Charter Airlines, was on a charter flight from Johannesburg, South Africa, to Cape Town and on landing on Runway 19 at Cape Town both left main gear tires blew on touchdown. The aircraft was not damaged and was returned to service.

In 2014, Ship N446BN was stored at an unknown location in Africa. In addition, the aircraft was listed on several jet freighter available lists as being available for service. The aircraft was eventually sold to Astral Aviation sometime after 2014. However, as of February 2019, the aircraft is currently operating for Astral Aviation of Nairobi, Kenya. Ship N446BN was reregistered in Kenya as 5Y-MWM. On November 24, 2017, the big Boeing debuted on television when it was used for a humanitarian flight.

Follow the link below to see the new coverage of the humanitarian flight of N446BN operating as 5Y-MWM:


gearlever 5th Dec 2019 00:15

Originally Posted by Gauges and Dials (Post 10632727)
The green lights indicate the Chemtrail discharge valves open.

Ah, didn't know they are spraying over Somalia waters.
But what do I know?

gums 5th Dec 2019 00:25


Ahhh man, Bubba. You bring back too many memories.
Western, Pan Am, TWA, Eastern, Repulsive, oops, Republic, ASA, and.....

Gums sends...

gearlever 5th Dec 2019 00:31

Precise manual flying in direct law:O

tdracer 5th Dec 2019 01:31

When I first joined Boeing in 1977, Braniff was taking delivery of a large batch of 727s. At that time, Braniff aircraft were painted in solid colors (most a bit garish) with the slogan of "Flying Colors".
The 727s had the "Flying Colors" slogan painted across the center inlet on the top of the fuselage. It didn't take long for the mechanics on the Renton flight line to figure out there was an access panel where the 'l' in Flying Colors was painted. That panel was left off whenever possible, so that the slogan read "Flying Coors"...

4runner 5th Dec 2019 01:48

Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 10632713)
Cool Skipper, no belt.
When did this happen?
I mean there are not so many 727s still flying.

quite a few in Afrika. They land them on dirt strips too.

Airbubba 5th Dec 2019 01:49

Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 10632756)
That panel was left off whenever possible, so that the slogan read "Flying Coors"...

And in those days you could only buy Coors beer west of the Mississippi River so there was considerable mystique associated with bringing back a case of that 'imported beer' to your buddies back east.

Lord Farringdon 5th Dec 2019 01:54

Originally Posted by gearlever (Post 10632733)
Precise manual flying in direct law:O

Yes I have to say that with all the sprays on this forum about lack of manual flying skills today occasioned by automation, this was a display of seat of the pants flying and knowing the performance of your steed. I can remember quite a few air show displays that we put on with the B727 that looked pretty much like this from the flight deck and from the ground. So much so in fact that I thought for a moment this was one of our ex Air Force birds, one of which I know ended up flying cargo in Africa, but the history doesn't fit. Yeah I know it's a bit different doing a a well briefed and practiced air show display vs casually rocking off short finals for a 360 and back in for a 'stabilsed' approach, but the aeroplane doesn't know that!!

Aside from that, the SAM and small arms threat at some African fields over the ages have demanded 'sporty' approaches and departures that really couldn't be automated and certainly weren't procedural. I don't know what the threat to air in Mogadishu is today, but I remember in Salisbury, Rhodesia just before Joshua Nkomo lost the subsequent election to Robert Mugabe, we had to spiral down directly over the airfield and execute a curved short final that would make even a Kaitak veteran shudder. The approaches were known to harbor mobile SAM sites and small arms fire was very likely. Air Rhodesia lost two Viscounts to Strella SAM's.

" Following the second incident, Air Rhodesia added shrouding to the exhaust pipes of their Viscount aircraft to reduce their infrared signature, and painted the aircraft with a low-radiation paint as countermeasures against heat-seeking missiles" (Wiki).

So yes this was a ballsy and some might say unsafe maneuver but when flying in this part of the world there is always an element of risk that only human skill and experience is likely to overcome rather than automation or strict adherence to procedures. It's a fair bet this is not the first time he has had to do this either !!

rjtjrt 5th Dec 2019 02:19

The captain seems to have lived a very interesting life. Long experience in 727.
Some years ago he spent nearly 18/12 in a Zimbabwe prison after a 727 flight to Equatorial Guinea was interrupted.

inthenightgarden 5th Dec 2019 02:50

As someone else mentioned I suspect this isn't the first 360 at 100 feet the captain has flown and it sure as hell beats being shot at. He flew it like it was on rails, well done sir.

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