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Chronic Snoozer 5th Dec 2019 03:12

No magenta lines here. Hand flying, nothing beats it. :ok:


In a week where there have been videos of poor decision making below MSA, sadly here’s another one. Accidents just don’t happen, they are caused!
However, this guy knows what he is doing, clearly.

Airbubba 5th Dec 2019 03:13


Originally Posted by rjtjrt (Post 10632778)
Some years ago he spent nearly 18/12 in a Zimbabwe prison after a 727 flight to Equatorial Guinea was interrupted.

Wasn't Niel [sic] jailed for 17 months in Zim? Or does 'nearly 18/12' mean almost 18 months? I thought he looked familiar in the video.

Here's some background on an earlier thread:

https://www.pprune.org/african-aviat...rcenaries.html

I guess doing a circle at 100 feet RA is not the riskiest thing he's done in a plane. :eek:

70 Mustang 5th Dec 2019 05:31

if I had done that
 
I would have made left turns!

Lord Farringdon 5th Dec 2019 05:32


Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 10632797)
Wasn't Niel [sic] jailed for 17 months in Zim? Or does 'nearly 18/12' mean almost 18 months? I thought he looked familiar in the video.

I guess doing a circle at 100 feet RA is not the riskiest thing he's done in a plane. :eek:

Maybe that explains the absence of shoulder harness in the video. After spending 18 months in one of Mad Bob's 'hotel suites' the last thing he ever wants to feel again is under restraint!!!

cessnaxpilot 5th Dec 2019 05:53

Are you all really so impressed with doing a 360 degree turn back to final without a seatbelt? You guys need to get out more!

FlightDetent 5th Dec 2019 06:21

Has the link gone AWOL?

TheEdge 5th Dec 2019 07:21

Does anyone know what is the real reason for a 360 below MSA ? was this provided for ?

Lord Farringdon 5th Dec 2019 07:29


Originally Posted by cessnaxpilot (Post 10632852)
Are you all really so impressed with doing a 360 degree turn back to final without a seatbelt? You guys need to get out more!

Have you taken your medication today cessnaxpilot?

ATC Watcher 5th Dec 2019 08:24

360 on short final ? for Africa, not that unusual. especially over water , (but not always )

Originally Posted by TheEdge (Post 10632891)
Does anyone know what is the real reason for a 360 below MSA ? was this provided for ?

Cessna SEP landed before still on runway it would seem.

gearlever : I mean there are not so many 727s still flying.
Still a few around , even two (re-engined) in Europe,,
Note that this 727 is African PBN certified .. ( the Garmin 196 taped on top of shield ) .:E


TheEdge 5th Dec 2019 09:04


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10632917)
360 on short final ? for Africa, not that unusual. especially over water , (but not always )

Cessna SEP landed before still on runway it would seem.

Yes i got that, thanks ...i was more wondering why not following the prescribed procedure instead of a 360 below MSA...i tried to check on Somali AIP and it looks like a standard MAP is provided for.

Starbear 5th Dec 2019 09:19

360 above or below MSA, what's the difference?

jack11111 5th Dec 2019 09:30

70 Mustang Quote:
" I would have made left turns! "

Left 360...closer to land and shooting.
Right 360...more over water and less shooting.
.

rog747 5th Dec 2019 09:37


Originally Posted by macdo (Post 10632716)
Fair play to the guy, he came out of the 360 still with the RadAlt saying 100'! Mind you I remember a Skip that got retired for doing a 360 going into HER at 200'. The FO was most put out!

I've been on a 737 yonks ago do this going into some Greek island perhaps abit higher, plus recall seeing an EAL 727-100 do this at Key West also a very long time ago

Duck Pilot 5th Dec 2019 09:53

Here we go again!

Get on with it people, the Captain obviously made a decision at the time to do what he did based on his experience and the environment, is that wrong? No in my opinion!

Was it dangerous and stupid, probably not considering the information already available. If there were pax in the back, yes what he done was absolutely stupid.

A freighter operating into a war zone, all bets are off survival is paramount - screw the rules itís a survival game.

Kids of the magenta! Old aeroplanes with clocks will always sort the big dogs out who can piss in the long grass without getting wet.

Hawker400 5th Dec 2019 10:13

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7adf0c93bd.jpg

It's not like he had many other options

ATC Watcher 5th Dec 2019 10:31


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 10632971)
Old aeroplanes with clocks will always sort the big dogs out who can piss in the long grass without getting wet.

Best quotation I've heard in a long time , do you mind if I use it? :ok:

beardy 5th Dec 2019 10:35


Originally Posted by Hawker400 (Post 10632983)
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7adf0c93bd.jpg

It's not like he had many other options

That plate hasn't been updated for 10 years. When was the film taken?
He did have an option to use more height, didn't he?

Capt Fathom 5th Dec 2019 10:52

He should have climbed to 200 feet! :E

THYTHY 5th Dec 2019 10:53

Glad to see someone who actually knows how to fly . My congrats to the skipper . Most pilots nowadays would crash or stall halfway through the turn.

TheEdge 5th Dec 2019 11:47


Originally Posted by Capt Fathom (Post 10633012)
He should have climbed to 200 feet! :E

Exactly !! Kudos to the skipper.


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