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Holidaymaker flies aircraft to his holiday destination.
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Easyjet pilot pilots Easyjet aircraft. Not such a great headline.
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And who flew it back then?
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Originally Posted by Dufo
(Post 10561884)
And who flew it back then?
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Did it one day as well, didn’t feel need to play stand up comedian in front of the passengers though. Kept the cockpit door closed, nobody knew... |
Originally Posted by sarah737
(Post 10561895)
Did it one day as well, didn’t feel need to play stand up comedian in front of the passengers though. Kept the cockpit door closed, nobody knew... |
Except for the fact that on International flights You have to wear a uniform.
At least outside the Cockpit ,,,,,,, Then again DenimAir solved that problem,,,, |
Except for the fact that on International flights You have to wear a uniform. |
Just give me a reference
Originally Posted by akindofmagic
(Post 10561943)
I'd love to know your reference for this. (Hint: there isn't one)
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Originally Posted by Weapons Grade
(Post 10561949)
Me too - I can't think if any reference which comes to mind, except by way of a reference in a company manual, which can easily be set aside in such a case as given.
There are similar procedures for operating with faxed or emailed copies of licenses and medicals if the originals are lost or stolen downline although this may only apply to domestic operations. A United pilot showed up for a flight in civvies a couple of years ago: United Airlines replaced a pilot before takeoff on Saturday after she boarded in civilian clothes and told passengers over the intercom that both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were liars and that she was getting a divorce, witnesses said. The airline on Sunday declined to identify the pilot or comment beyond a previous statement apologizing to customers, many of whom left the plane out of concern for their safety. The flight from Austin, Texas, to San Francisco took off with a new pilot about 90 minutes late, passengers said. “She shows up dressed like a civilian and asked us to take a vote to see whether we should have her change into her uniform or fly as is,” passenger Pam O’Neal told KPIX television upon landing in San Francisco. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN15R0RC |
Originally Posted by akindofmagic
(Post 10561943)
I'd love to know your reference for this. (Hint: there isn't one)
TL;DR: be careful what you are wearing in terms of flammability. In this case, it really doesn't matter as the study found that air crew uniforms are typically made of flammable materials, just as bad as civilian clothing. |
I must be in the minority, I don’t take my licence with me when I go on holiday. |
Originally Posted by ezydriver
(Post 10562035)
I must be in the minority, I don’t take my licence with
me when I go on holiday.
Originally Posted by sarah737
(Post 10561895)
Did it one day as well, didn’t feel need to play stand up comedian in front of the passengers though. Kept the cockpit door closed, nobody knew... |
Originally Posted by ezydriver
(Post 10562035)
I must be in the minority, I don’t take my licence with me when I go on holiday. |
Years ago I saw a coworker in slacks, casual shoes, a sport polo shirt at an international destination. "On vacation?" "No, I'm working. They asked 'how quickly can you get to the airport?" I said with my uniform or as I'm dressed right now? They asked what I was wearing and said 'good enough.' So here I am."
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Originally Posted by misd-agin
(Post 10562109)
I don't know where you keep yours but in the U.S. most guys keep their license in their wallet. So it goes to the gym, pool, shopping, dinner, movies, holiday, sporting events, etc, etc.
Mine never leaves my flight case except from the occasioanl sim revalidation or medical, although I generally take one of my company IDs with me on holiday. I think a photocard license in Europe would be sensible (minus Orville and Wilbur, Frank Whittle perhaps?). My best friend is a train driver and his train license (UK) looks identical to an EU driving license, therefore arranged in a very familiar format. Not my photo... |
Ok, I am just referring to old CAA Cpt Bjørn The Calibrator as I show up in Oslo for 10 day In Greenland via CPH and Vagar in proper warm Army Field Jacket and Jeans.
Made me buy black pants at the Main terminal. Felt like an idiot not knowing about this. After all we calibrate half of North Norway that winter looking like some ragtag bush ops. International flights different he said. Didnt argue with Bjørn , he was CAA and he was Boss. Great chap. Anyway This was back in 1994, things has changed Eh. So standby duty: Speedo at the beech ! " How quick can you be at the airport?" There is a Youtube clip you will struggle to erase ! Peace and love Cpt B |
Originally Posted by BluSdUp
(Post 10562132)
Ok, I am just referring to old CAA Cpt Bjørn The Calibrator as I show up in Oslo for 10 day In Greenland via CPH and Vagar in proper warm Army Field Jacket and Jeans.
Made me buy black pants at the Main terminal. Felt like an idiot not knowing about this. After all we calibrate half of North Norway that winter looking like some ragtag bush ops. International flights different he said. Didnt argue with Bjørn , he was CAA and he was Boss. Great chap. Anyway This was back in 1994, things has changed Eh. So standby duty: Speedo at the beech ! " How quick can you be at the airport?" There is a Youtube clip you will struggle to erase ! Peace and love Cpt B I’d not want to make a song and dance about it. Doesn’t actually reflect that well on the company that they couldn’t find a pilot, dressed like a pilot, to be the pilot . |
I have reservations about him identifying his family as passengers. In any problems in the cabin they would be valuable hostages/targets. He did not have to point them out. No problems, this time.
The Dft did at one time briefly consider banning crew relatives in the cabin. |
Except for the fact that on International flights You have to wear a uniform. |
Positioning, in uniform. Owing to a crewing mix-up, there was no pilot. I rang, and offered to operate. Nope, over total flight hours in last 28 days; couldn't operate till the following day. (we were working hard). The pilot who should have got off, having finished a week away from home, was told to operate, and have another night in the hotel at destination.
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Originally Posted by ezydriver
(Post 10562035)
I must be in the minority, I don’t take my licence with me when I go on holiday. |
Seems like a refreshing dose of common sense. In earlier times I can remember doing ferry flights in normal clothes. I am equally impressed that Easyjet ops can make a decision that quickly. The whole thing reflects well on them, including the open communication. |
Originally Posted by double_barrel
(Post 10562227)
Perhaps more to the point, do you guys refrain from a glass of wine with a meal before traveling on holiday or deadheading, on the off chance that you might have to step up to the flight deck within the next 8 hours?
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Perhaps more to the point, do you guys refrain from a glass of wine with a meal before traveling on holiday or deadheading, on the off chance that you might have to step up to the flight deck within the next 8 hours? Surely when an off-duty professional pilot gets a phone call saying “we’re short of a pilot, can you fly today?” they make a grown-up assessment whether they’re fit and able to fly, and if not for any reason, they say “sorry, no, unable.” |
I've flown in plain clothes as well, once while ferrying, the other time I was called from a standby before my standby even begun. I was in a shop, fetching groceries when the dispatch called. Apparently they called somebody before, an hour went by, something happened to this guy so the ops were running out of time and options.
License not being on your person is not a problem. If you get a ramp check and don't have it on you, the ops have a copy of it and can email it to whoever is interested to see it. A much more important piece of kit is the crew member certificate/and/or any proxy cards you might need to pass through security. |
Originally Posted by Sobelena
(Post 10562279)
I was looking at that question from another perspective. In light of recent and past events, what if a pilot becomes incapacitated and you could be an extra pair of professional hands to assist the remaining pilot (assuming a two crew FD of course)?
Certainly when travelling on "my own dollar" I'm not going to sit in my seat like a coiled spring, refusing a glass of wine or a beer, just in case. |
Originally Posted by beardy
(Post 10562138)
I have reservations about him identifying his family as passengers. In any problems in the cabin they would be valuable hostages/targets. He did not have to point them out. No problems, this time.
The Dft did at one time briefly consider banning crew relatives in the cabin. |
Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
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Originally Posted by B737900er
(Post 10562329)
Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
So this Captain took his licence and ID just in case they were still struggling when he arrived for the flight. |
Photocopy
Originally Posted by Airbubba
(Post 10561967)
In fact, I believe most large U.S. airlines have a procedure in the operations manual allowing operation of the aircraft without the proper uniform. You don't want a plane parked because someone's suitcase is stolen overseas. You are supposed to get an authorization message from the ops department. Or, so they tell me. ;) I've certainly left my uniform in the closet of an international hotel on a trip that alternated operating legs and deadheads in civilian clothes. There are similar procedures for operating with faxed or emailed copies of licenses and medicals if the originals are lost or stolen downline although this may only apply to domestic operations. A United pilot showed up for a flight in civvies a couple of years ago: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN15R0RC This is a recent change and may not be as well known as some. #PSA |
Originally Posted by B737900er
(Post 10562329)
Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
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Originally Posted by lederhosen
(Post 10562238)
Seems like a refreshing dose of common sense. In earlier times I can remember doing ferry flights in normal clothes. I am equally impressed that Easyjet ops can make a decision that quickly. The whole thing reflects well on them, including the open communication. Ages back while on B-737 we deadheaded as crew from FRA to GVA in civvies to start the first leg of a 4 day European rotation early next morning. We arrived in GVA - our suitcases didn't. Next morning suitcases were still missing. We decided to operate the flight in civvies - made an announcement ( lunch in FRA, dinner in GVA, suitcases gone ... ) and flew the flight in civvies before ending the rotation in FRA as suitcases were still MIA. They turned up a few days later having been sent to Damascus, of all places despite having a DH label on them for GVA.. No complaints, everybody happy - except for us as we missed a night-stop in Ankara., |
Originally Posted by neilki
(Post 10562482)
In FAA land we can no longer use a Photocopy/EMail from Crew Records etc. A temporary certificate has to be requested on https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...rmen_services/
This is a recent change and may not be as well known as some. #PSA
Originally Posted by double_barrel
(Post 10562227)
Perhaps more to the point, do you guys refrain from a glass of wine with a meal before traveling on holiday or deadheading, on the off chance that you might have to step up to the flight deck within the next 8 hours?
Inevitably, someone has an incident or is unavailable to operate and the policy gets 'clarified'. On some international sectors deadheading crew are required to be in civilian clothes for security reasons, on others they must be in uniform for crew status in customs and immigration. |
Originally Posted by beardy
(Post 10562138)
I have reservations about him identifying his family as passengers. In any problems in the cabin they would be valuable hostages/targets. He did not have to point them out. No problems, this time.
The Dft did at one time briefly consider banning crew relatives in the cabin. |
Originally Posted by B737900er
(Post 10562329)
Cool story, however, who is sad enough to go on holiday with their pilot license?
Mine is always in my wallet. Not because I need it, but because I might need it. Just like my health insurance card, backup credit card, AOPA card, etc. |
Have flown in jeans and T as was positioning with uniform in hold and operating pilot fell ill. ID and a hi-viz was all that was needed.
Saw an EZY FO going to the aircraft in alpinestars leather jeans and boots but with work shirt and tie (forgot his kit bag on day one) i nearly did the same commuting by motorbike once but found some trousers in lost and found box! |
Originally Posted by neilki
(Post 10562483)
Anyone wanting to Jumpseat home.....
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Originally Posted by BluSdUp
(Post 10561928)
Except for the fact that on International flights You have to wear a uniform.
At least outside the Cockpit ,,,,,,, Then again DenimAir solved that problem,,,, The only time I tried to ferry an aircraft in jeans Spanish security didn't let me past until I listed myself as a jump seater.... |
It’s only ‘news’ because he stood at the front and rambled on about it. Plenty have done it and plenty more will. |
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