Russia - Plane crash lands in field after bird strike
Plane crash lands in field after bird strike sets fire in both engines - All safe! Flight Ural Airlines U6178, Moscow - Simferopol, ZIA-SIP, Airbus A321, registration VQ-BOZ, MSN 2117, first flight 16 December 2003. Scheduled departure 06:10 Moscow time. Some 234 passengers, 7 crew, 15 light injuries. Plane engines caught fire shortly after take-off due to large bird strike. Crash landed in field without landing gear extended. First responders arrived at 06:40 and doused the plane with foam. Location Moscow suburb of Ramenskoye.
In Russian: https://m.e1.ru/news/66198010 |
"Sully in the cornfield?" Looking forward to more info on this.
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What’s the Russian word for “Sully”? Incredible outcome. |
English version: https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN1V50DQ
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I assume in what appears to be a slow evacuation is due to following step number 1 in modern day evacuations -retrieve your luggage. That CFM sounds quite unhealthy. Top effort to tech crew. Full tanks, corn field and quite a bit of speed on the video. Great work guys! |
Originally Posted by Titania
(Post 10545511)
Plane engines caught fire shortly after take-off due to large bird strike.
Judging from the very sketchy data on FR24 (supported by the video), the aircraft was already earthbound within 45 seconds of passing over the upwind THR. |
WOW
It doesn't get any better than this outcome. Everybody, quick, buy lottery tickets!
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Great job by the Crew indeed . . I must also raise my hat to the CEO of the airline for the typical Russian Public Statement after the accident :
“There was an emergency landing in Zhukovsky. Birds got into both engines. Engines turned off, the crew carried out the landing,” Ural Airlines general director said , |
Well maybe something was lost in translation! In any case a great outcome. And to be honnest a lucky one too... |
Truly outstanding! All alive, well done!
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Originally Posted by jack11111
(Post 10545560)
It doesn't get any better than this outcome. Everybody, quick, buy lottery tickets!
Still a great job. This is why we have humans sitting in row zero. IMC/Night, build up areas around the airport and the chances would have been slim. Video looks like a flaps 1 (slats but no flaps) configuration at landing. Strange, but maybe not the worst option to have the wing staying intact. Looking forward for the report, again a lot to be learned. |
1+F my guess, common take-off setting. Check the other vid.
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A lot to do in a very short time
Originally Posted by Volume
(Post 10545599)
VMC, level fields ahead, the chances were much better than in the lottery.
Still a great job. This is why we have humans sitting in row zero. IMC/Night, build up areas around the airport and the chances would have been slim. Video looks like a flaps 1 (slats but no flaps) configuration at landing. Strange, but maybe not the worst option to have the wing staying intact. Looking forward for the report, again a lot to be learned. APU Start FLAPS Lever 2 VAPP Determine SPOILERS ARM LANDING GEAR DOWN by GRAVITY BRACE Touchdown at minimum VS ALL ENG MSTRS OFF APU MSTR OFF EMERG EVACUATE PROCEDURE APPLY |
“Immediately after, in fact.”
OH dear! Mind you, let’s not be pedantic about pedantry.750ft?? David – to avoid too much knicker-twisting, we’ll go with your definition if it helps. |
Respect to the crew. Great outcome.
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IMC/Night, build up areas around the airport and the chances would have been slim. |
I hope we see this story featured as much as Sully's, or at least given credit due to the professionalism of the crew and the design factors - Asiana 214, Lion Air in Bali and PNG Chuuk for instance. It's amazing. I've out-landed over a thousand times, but a in a hang glider not in a A321 LOL.
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They struck birds right on the runway
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Some quick translations from the passengers on the first video:
"We're alive....we're f****** alive' Pax on phone: "It's bad news....but it's good news' Cabin crew: 'Would you mind moving away from here now, please. Thank you.' Result. |
Makes me wonder about whether putting gear down is really the best option in an emergency landing? I mean doesn't gear increase the chances of damage since you fully expect them to rip off after hitting the ground? Could rupture fuel tanks, fuselage? I think manufacturers reason for having them down is that they would soften the impact somewhat.
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The act of ripping the undercarriage off absorbs energy - so worth keeping the gear down from a physics perspective
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Originally Posted by Volume
(Post 10545599)
VMC, level fields ahead,
IMC/Night, build up areas around the airport and the chances would have been slim. Now I don't want to take away from the crew skills that got everyone on the ground safely, but I suspect these guys didn't have time to make any significant decisions. Sully did. So he had to make decisions that could have been wrong but ultimately turned out to be right. All under considerable pressure. But for these guys , at 750 ft? there was really only one place they were going and thank God it wasn't into rough ground.!! Still, they pulled off a text book landing, saved everyone's skins and deserve to wear their wings proudly in the future with their Sully like emergency and same outcome.!! What about the gear up landing? The checklist says gear down by gravity. So I assume the APU (first item on the checklist) doesn't provide power for the hydraulic pump system operating the landing gear? But at 750 feet.did they even go to the checklist? And if they did, would the APU have even been on speed by they time they hit? Would the gear have only been partially down anyway? i'm thinking gear down anywhere other than a runway is going to be a disaster so, maybe these guys deliberately chose not to lower.. I know 'speculation'...'wait till the report comes' out blah blah, but I just am really curious and I'm not actually speculating anything. Just wondering about the configuration possibilities that may have affected the outcome. Kudos to the crew!! |
Originally Posted by Nightstop
(Post 10545610)
Airbus 320 family procedure in this case is: APU Start FLAPS Lever 2 VAPP Determine SPOILERS ARM LANDING GEAR DOWN by GRAVITY BRACE Touchdown at minimum VS ALL ENG MSTRS OFF APU MSTR OFF EMERG EVACUATE PROCEDURE APPLY |
Originally Posted by 172_driver
(Post 10545722)
What's the name of that checklist? I am not A320 rated but I am also, among with others, curious on what basis the gear should be left down. In my mind it ought to depend on surface. Water, soft ground, hard ground... |
Wonder if there was a brace announcement... if so quite mind boggling that someone was still filming with their phone in 1 hand all the way down. It worked out OK in this case but if I hear brace for impact I couldn't care less about social media fame at that point.
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If their altitude was only 750ft, I'd simply say there was no time to run through checklists, considering the low speed and nose up attitude of the plane. Really looking forward to the investigation and also to hear/read from the pilots and why they decided whatever they decided.
But, gear up or down: Great job by them, absolutely no question there. |
Apparently no BRACE FOR IMPACT warning by the crew? |
I don't think any checklists apply when you are 750ft off the ground on take-off with full load of pax, full fuel and both engines out. At the risk of being a backseat driver, I think the decision to keep the LG up was the correct one (if it indeed was a conscious decision). They do absorb the impact energy but only if they are fully down. What happens if the impact catches them in transition, nobody knows. Also, LG down during crash landing increases the chance of flipping the craft.
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Apparently no BRACE FOR IMPACT warning by the crew? |
Checklist
The Checklist is titled: EMER Landing ALL ENG FAILURE It’s on the flip side of laminated cards which are located at the side of each pilot (the front side being the Normal checklists). DITCHING on the left, FORCED LANDING on the right. The DITCHING checklist states DITCHING Pb ON and LANDING GEAR UP, the FORCED LANDING checklist states SPLRS ARM and LANDING GEAR DOWN. |
Love the people leaving a crash landed aircraft still full of fuel with their handluggage... Time for a central lock on the overhead lockers...
Rant over: great job by the crew :D |
Love the people leaving a crash landed aircraft still full of fuel with their handluggage... Given the legendary stoicism of most Russians however, I sure some, having seen no immediate danger, would have shrugged and tried to get back on-board to retrieve their luggage before trudging back to the airport to wait for the next flight. |
Originally Posted by Nightstop
(Post 10545796)
The Checklist is titled: EMER Landing ALL ENG FAILURE It’s on the flip side of laminated cards which are located at the side of each pilot (the front side being the Normal checklists). DITCHING on the left, FORCED LANDING on the right. The DITCHING checklist states DITCHING Pb ON and LANDING GEAR UP, the FORCED LANDING checklist states SPLRS ARM and LANDING GEAR DOWN. That gull looked surprised! |
Originally Posted by LEM
(Post 10545769)
Apparently no BRACE FOR IMPACT warning by the crew? |
Originally Posted by 42go
(Post 10545613)
“Immediately after, in fact.”
OH dear! Mind you, let’s not be pedantic about pedantry.750ft?? David – to avoid too much knicker-twisting, we’ll go with your definition if it helps. "Shortly after takeoff" could mean 5-10 minutes after (ET302, for example) - a rather different scenario from starting to descend when the gear doors have barely closed, don't you think ? |
Originally Posted by Ploz
(Post 10545692)
The act of ripping the undercarriage off absorbs energy - so worth keeping the gear down from a physics perspective
Anyone knows any studies or reports? |
There is drone footage on YouTube taken after the incident (can't post due to forum rules). Shows a stream / ditch between the field which the aircraft went over. Wonder if this was why the crew didn't deploy the landing gear!
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Originally Posted by jack11111
(Post 10545560)
It doesn't get any better than this outcome. Everybody, quick, buy lottery tickets!
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Originally Posted by Finals27
(Post 10545827)
There is drone footage on YouTube taken after the incident (can't post due to forum rules). Shows a stream / ditch between the field which the aircraft went over. Wonder if this was why the crew didn't deploy the landing gear!
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