Another Disruptive Passenger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642
Only a few thousand pounds of the defence budget gone. |
Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10500612)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642
Only a few thousand pounds of the defence budget gone. |
Originally Posted by XV490
(Post 10500628)
A few? A hundred grand at least, surely? Plus a tanker reportedly involved. Makes my blood pressure soar well above its already unhealthy average level.
With you on the blood pressure though. Cost to everyone on the flight, wasted fuel, f/a stress of dealing with worse than the usual class of idiot. Military escort suggests security issue, so perhaps stress to all pax and crew as well thinking that they might not make it home. |
Originally Posted by PerPurumTonantes
(Post 10500635)
You'd hope that if they weren't doing that, they'd be doing other great training exercises. So maybe net cost to uk defence budget negligible..
That said I'm still all for throwing the book and bookcase at the disruptive passenger. |
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/935360...terror-hijack/
The Good Old British Press has now moved to hijack mode!! When the Daily M--l gets it all passengers will have been doomed! Appears to have been the Titan Airways A321 currently with Jet2 |
Originally Posted by wiggy
(Post 10500652)
That said I'm still all for throwing the book and bookcase at the disruptive passenger.
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Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10500612)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642
Only a few thousand pounds of the defence budget gone. |
"Why me? Why me?" Aw, poor diddums
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There was a time when the Royal Air Force scrambled fighters to face real foes, not flying busloads of scr0tes.
Maybe I'll have calmed down in the morning, but I doubt it. I have visions of the culprit eventually dining out on her notoriety. 😬 |
Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...
Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help? |
Originally Posted by _drjim_
(Post 10500728)
Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...
Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help? |
Originally Posted by marchino61
(Post 10500759)
I believe they will shoot down the aircraft if it is judged to be a danger to people on the ground.
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Originally Posted by _drjim_
(Post 10500728)
Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...
Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help? |
Originally Posted by _drjim_
(Post 10500728)
Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...
Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help? ATC were not to know the exact situation in cabin. One report said pilot in radio message said “cockpit secure”, which presumably rather than reassure ATC made them feel cockpit breach had been attempted. Further reports say passenger rushed at cockpit door before restrained. Not saying she attempted to hijack, but ATC are playing it safe. |
How can a fighter escort mitigate a disruptive pax?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jet2-stansted-raf-jets-sonic-boom-typhoon-qra-a8970716.htm
Genuine question from a pax - how does a fighter escort help resolve a disruptive passenger situation? |
The security services on the ground don’t necessarily know that it’s just some chav whos had too much too drink. They may well have to assume it’s an attempt at a breach of the flight deck, and since 9/11, do you really need it spelling out as to why the typhoons are there? |
What is it with all these diversions for disruptive pax - ?
It's daily!! Not just on flights to/from UK but it seems to be occurring all over. In my aviation career from almost 50 years ago we never had one diversion for any such behaviour - Such pax would never have got to the aircraft door in my day, or if they got messy on board then the no. 1 CC held short shift with anyone misbehaving... And I think we experienced maybe one medical diversion in all that time - now that too is a daily occurrence with sick pax |
Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help? |
I'm guessing that the RAF wanted an excuse to test out their reaction time and had a word with air traffic for a heads up next time there was a minor incident such as yesterday, I used to rely on gate staff, handling agents and cabin crew to screen these idiots from boarding. If there was any doubt then they would not be carried on my aircraft. Problem lies in the availability of booze 24/7 allied to the fact that the first thing the airlines do is offer passengers alcohol regardless of the time of day. I never had to divert for unruly pax but on numerous occasions I made sure that they were met with friendly local police whose modus operandi may not have been quite as politically correct as in the UK ! |
Originally Posted by 3Greens
(Post 10500852)
The security services on the ground don’t necessarily know that it’s just some chav whos had too much too drink. They may well have to assume it’s an attempt at a breach of the flight deck, and since 9/11, do you really need it spelling out as to why the typhoons are there? |
Originally Posted by beamer
(Post 10500921)
I'm guessing that the RAF wanted an excuse to test out their reaction time and had a word with air traffic for a heads up next time there was a minor incident such as yesterday, |
I would rather the RAF were standing by to shoot it down and not needed than vice versa and it ends up in the City in a smoking hole. You don't know what was said and people quickly made the decision to be better safe than sorry.
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These occurences seem to come in waves. Back in the 90's I was involved in "having a word" with 2 idiots aggresively intimidating young female CC on 2 entirely separate flights. On both occasions alcohol was involved and after myself and other agrieved passengers explained that their behaviour was unacceptible and liable to end badly for them, they calmed down and there was no further problem. In the same decade I also witnessed a brawl between several scumbags, again fueled by alcohol, on a flight in the US. Since then, despite having made more flights than I care to mention, I have seen no real trouble at all.
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Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
(Post 10500973)
Are you arguing that a disruptive passenger, acting alone, is going to be able to breach the reinforced flight deck door and gain access? Sorry, I don't buy that.
They might well be a part of a ploy to divert attention whilst others combine to take control of the aircraft. I'm glad the RAF remains ready and able to deploy so quickly to defeat any such attempt to try a 9/11 type event in the UK. :D |
How do you predict that it might be just a lone disruptive passenger? They might well be a part of a ploy to divert attention whilst others combine to take control of the aircraft. |
The real question is as follows: Are the airlines and airports really intersted in doing something about this, or are they merely whinging at the front door whilst quietly counting the money in a back room? I have more than a sneaking suspicion it's the latter, in which case they may safely stuff their complaints where the sun doesn't shine.
If they were truly intended on rooting out this kind of behaviour, a few actions would have it stopped by tomorrow. They could start by breathalysing every single passenger, and if they blow more than x% they're off-loaded. Likewise, they could ban the sale and consumption of alcohol onboard; duty free bought onboard could be delivered at the very end of the trip, and passengers would not be allowed to bring any alcohol onboard they purchased on the ground. But, as initially stated, that would interfere with their first, second and last priority: Making money. |
Airlines could change their contract with the ground agent so ground agent pays any costs related to a passenger they've boarded. Simples.
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Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
(Post 10500836)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jet2-stansted-raf-jets-sonic-boom-typhoon-qra-a8970716.htm
Genuine question from a pax - how does a fighter escort help resolve a disruptive passenger situation? |
If they were truly intended on rooting out this kind of behaviour, a few actions would have it stopped by tomorrow. They could start by breathalysing every single passenger, and if they blow more than x% they're off-loaded. Likewise, they could ban the sale and consumption of alcohol onboard; duty free bought onboard could be delivered at the very end of the trip, and passengers would not be allowed to bring any alcohol onboard they purchased on the ground. The airline involved here also prosecutes these imbeciles, and delivers the bill to them for the expense incurred. I’m sure this lady (if you can call her that) will end up in prison after this event, she won’t be the first that this airline has pursued and seen sentenced:D:D |
Originally Posted by groundbum
(Post 10501074)
Airlines could change their contract with the ground agent so ground agent pays any costs related to a passenger they've boarded. Simples.
G Ground agents are not bouncers. Some pax can seem fine passing through the gate but then kick off once on board. It's not always so obvious as to who should be denied boarding and would often require the Police in attendance to sort out those that then kick off at the gate! Who has the power to decide? :sad: |
According to other pax on this flight she appeared perfectly normal until after take-off. Then she just went crazy, not drunk, just crazy.
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Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
(Post 10501041)
How do you predict that it might be just a lone disruptive passenger?
They might well be a part of a ploy to divert attention whilst others combine to take control of the aircraft. I'm glad the RAF remains ready and able to deploy so quickly to defeat any such attempt to try a 9/11 type event in the UK. :D I'm grateful for the efforts of all of our armed forces, they do a great job. |
What I find ridiculous in all this is that the media are not concentrating on the perpetrator or the potential conequences, rather on a big bang in Essex and associated counties, but then I suppose the same media are threatening world war at every opportunity, so perhaps it's not surprising after all when people hear a sonic boom these days.
The person concerned will be brought before the magistrates tomorrow (UK time) and doubtless will later have a plea of mitigation. Probably a poor childhood/just lost her job and/or boyfriend, or her favourite was voted off Love Island. These people make me sick. |
Originally Posted by barry lloyd
(Post 10501135)
The person concerned will be brought before the magistrates tomorrow (UK time) and doubtless will later have a plea of mitigation. Probably a poor childhood/just lost her job and/or boyfriend, or her favourite was voted off Love Island. These people make me sick.
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Originally Posted by groundbum
(Post 10501074)
Airlines could change their contract with the ground agent so ground agent pays any costs related to a passenger they've boarded. Simples.
G Besides, any lawyer worth their salt could easily make a case the buck stops at the door, and as the passengers walks onboard any further responsibility is on the airline. |
Or just possibly she requires psychiatric treatment. We shall have to wait and see. Allow airline terminal security goons to bully passengers who have to queue for ages (as at that dump known as Stansted), then cram them in to 30in pitch seats and if they suffer from a fear of flying or claustrophobia, some might well 'flip' and behave irrationally, particularly if they've had even half a wine gum after reaching the departure gate area. Economy airline travel is a pretty stressful experience these days - although the behaviour of some passengers, such as the Vicky Pollard clones I saw waddling off to some flight from BHX to Oybeefa for a hen party the other week, is pretty disgusting. |
You can't figure this out?
In case the initial report of a disruptive passenger turns out to be a terrorist attempt at a suicide hijacking 9-11 style. |
Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants
(Post 10501084)
The airline involved here do much of what you have suggested.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10501270)
Are you referring to Titan, whose aircraft and (presumably) crew operated the flight, or Jet2, whose flight it was ?
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Originally Posted by barry lloyd
(Post 10501135)
What I find ridiculous in all this is that the media are not concentrating on the perpetrator or the potential conequences, rather on a big bang in Essex and associated counties
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